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Can I do the reverse now as well? Email a company a unilateral change in the TOS? Or do TOS's have provisions against that as well? "I do not agree with your n

Can I do the reverse now as well? Email a company a unilateral change in the TOS? Or do TOS's have provisions against that as well? "I do not agree with your new TOS and will continue under your old TOS, and I will continue to use your service". And see when they will close your account down.

Noaidi 7mo ago
IMO, this would make a great court case.
- PetriCasserole 7mo ago
  I know I'd be listening intently if I were on the jury. I'm a "sauce good for the goose is good for the gander" kind of guy.
  - bell-cot 7mo ago
    > ... if I were on the jury. ... Too bad that v1.0 of the ToS their victims "sign" forced all disputes into their lap-dog arbitration system.
    - nickorlow 7mo ago
      My new ToS I sent them allows me to appoint anyone (including my self) as the arbiter.
      - bell-cot 7mo ago
        That's a nice daydream - but v1.0 gave them exclusive rights to update the ToS or pick arbiters. Along with lots of other "heads we win, tails you lose" stuff. :(
- Gustomaximus 7mo ago
  Dmitry Argarkov https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2013/08/14/man-who-outwitted-bank-ends-700k-lawsuit-a26770 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2013/08/14/man-who-outwitted-...
mycall 7mo ago
Now if most of their customers did that, they wouldn't close down all the accounts. Forgotten power of the people.
- AceJohnny2 7mo ago
  yes, and if I had a unicorn I would be happy. > Now if most of their customers did that If most customers did anything active we'd have a radically different society. The difficulty is getting people engaged to fight back against the system (I'm not absolving myself from being part of those people)
paulnpace 7mo ago
They email from invalid addresses, so you cannot respond.
- deltoidmaximus 7mo ago
  Can you block their emails from being delivered thus blocking TOS updates?
  - paulnpace 7mo ago
    Probably as long as the mail server responds with not delivered. Really, it would be better to have a lawyer go through the decision than laypeople parsing a judge.
causal 7mo ago
Was wondering this too. Not to mention adding TOS to your own sites that get used by bots and scrapers.

Noaidi 7mo ago

IMO, this would make a great court case.

PetriCasserole 7mo ago
I know I'd be listening intently if I were on the jury. I'm a "sauce good for the goose is good for the gander" kind of guy.
- bell-cot 7mo ago
  > ... if I were on the jury. ... Too bad that v1.0 of the ToS their victims "sign" forced all disputes into their lap-dog arbitration system.
  - nickorlow 7mo ago
    My new ToS I sent them allows me to appoint anyone (including my self) as the arbiter.
    - bell-cot 7mo ago
      That's a nice daydream - but v1.0 gave them exclusive rights to update the ToS or pick arbiters. Along with lots of other "heads we win, tails you lose" stuff. :(
Gustomaximus 7mo ago
Dmitry Argarkov https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2013/08/14/man-who-outwitted-bank-ends-700k-lawsuit-a26770 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2013/08/14/man-who-outwitted-...

mycall 7mo ago

Now if most of their customers did that, they wouldn't close down all the accounts. Forgotten power of the people.

AceJohnny2 7mo ago
yes, and if I had a unicorn I would be happy. > Now if most of their customers did that If most customers did anything active we'd have a radically different society. The difficulty is getting people engaged to fight back against the system (I'm not absolving myself from being part of those people)

paulnpace 7mo ago

They email from invalid addresses, so you cannot respond.

deltoidmaximus 7mo ago
Can you block their emails from being delivered thus blocking TOS updates?
- paulnpace 7mo ago
  Probably as long as the mail server responds with not delivered. Really, it would be better to have a lawyer go through the decision than laypeople parsing a judge.

causal 7mo ago

Was wondering this too. Not to mention adding TOS to your own sites that get used by bots and scrapers.