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This raises an interesting point. I've speculated that if someone has a hard time expressing themselves to other humans verbally or in writing, they're also goi

This raises an interesting point. I've speculated that if someone has a hard time expressing themselves to other humans verbally or in writing, they're also going to have a hard time writing human-readable code. The two things are rooted in the same basic abilities. Writing documentation or comments in the code at least gives someone two slim chances at understanding them, instead of just one. I have the opposite problem. Granted, I'm not a software developer, but only use code as a problem solving tool. But once again, adding comments to my code gives me two slim chances of understanding it later, instead of one.

1718627440 8mo ago
> I've speculated that if someone has a hard time expressing themselves to other humans verbally or in writing I don't think they have actually problems with expressing themselves, code is also just a language with a very formal grammar and if you use that approach to structure your prose, it's also understandable. The struggle is more to mentally encode non-technical domain knowledge, like office politics or emotions.
- analog31 8mo ago
  That's true. But people have had formal language for millennia, so why don't we use it? Here's my hunch. Formal specifiation is so inefficient that cynics suspect it of being a form of obstructionism, while pragmatic people realize that they can solve a problem themselves, quicker than they can specify their requirements.
  - 1718627440 8mo ago
    > But people have had formal language for millennia, so why don't we use it? In case you don't refer to the mathematical notion of formal, then we use formal language all the time. Every subject has its formal terms, contracts are all written in a formal way, specifications use formal language. Anything that really matters or is read by a large audience is written in formal language.
hinkley 8mo ago
I think there’s some of that, but it’s also probably a thing where people who make good tutors/mentors tend to write clearer code as well, and the Venn diagram for that is a bit complicated. Concise code is going to be difficult if you can’t distill a concept. And that’s more than just verbal intelligence. Though I’m not sure how you’d manage it with low verbal intelligence.

1718627440 8mo ago

> I've speculated that if someone has a hard time expressing themselves to other humans verbally or in writing I don't think they have actually problems with expressing themselves, code is also just a language with a very formal grammar and if you use that approach to structure your prose, it's also understandable. The struggle is more to mentally encode non-technical domain knowledge, like office politics or emotions.

analog31 8mo ago
That's true. But people have had formal language for millennia, so why don't we use it? Here's my hunch. Formal specifiation is so inefficient that cynics suspect it of being a form of obstructionism, while pragmatic people realize that they can solve a problem themselves, quicker than they can specify their requirements.
- 1718627440 8mo ago
  > But people have had formal language for millennia, so why don't we use it? In case you don't refer to the mathematical notion of formal, then we use formal language all the time. Every subject has its formal terms, contracts are all written in a formal way, specifications use formal language. Anything that really matters or is read by a large audience is written in formal language.

hinkley 8mo ago

I think there’s some of that, but it’s also probably a thing where people who make good tutors/mentors tend to write clearer code as well, and the Venn diagram for that is a bit complicated. Concise code is going to be difficult if you can’t distill a concept. And that’s more than just verbal intelligence. Though I’m not sure how you’d manage it with low verbal intelligence.