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So what was your point? Someone called out that the common joe was doing worse off, you responded that gdp is higher than ever. Are you making the claim that

by lovich 8mo ago

So what was your point? Someone called out that the common joe was doing worse off, you responded that gdp is higher than ever. Are you making the claim that this is an acceptable state? Or are you making another claim?

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> What specifically has changed? >> Realizing that GDP growth can be achieved while average joe on Main Street is struggling Me: that’s not new. That didn’t change. > that this is an acceptable state? If we’re in a Cat 3 hurricane and someone complains about it being Cat 5, pointing out that’s wrong isn’t pro-hurricane.
- lovich 8mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47303072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47303072 can you please look at this comment that you replied to at the beginning of this thread, and understand why I might be irate at your response. I had multiple paragraphs typed out that I have deleted so I could have a real conversation. Why do you think I responded to you the way I did?
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > Why do you think I responded to you the way I did? How is the rhethorical-question style working out? I'm pointing out an ahistorical claim in the top post. You want to broaden the discussion without acknowledging that, and without actually saying anything, which isn't particularly interesting to engage on.
    - lovich 8mo ago
      You didn’t point out an ahistorical claim. They didn’t claim that GDP wasn’t growing. They said that it wasn’t helping the common man and you jumped in with an equivalent of “but the DOW is over 50k”
      - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > They didn’t claim that GDP wasn’t growing. They said that it wasn’t helping the common man and you jumped in with an equivalent of “but the DOW is over 50k” No, this is a ridiculous misreading. They said that "realizing that GDP growth can be achieved while average joe on Main Street is struggling" is "what changed." That is ahistorical. I may realize, today, that the sky is blue, but that's a personal discovery, not a general one. GDP growth amidst widespread poverty has been the default in most of human history; it isn't what changed. Whether or not GDP is growing was never brought up by anyone except you.
        lovich 8mo ago
        That’s a reasonable position but none of it came across in your comment here > This is most GDP growth across human history until the Industrial Revolution with the exception of maybe a half dozen civilisations. And you literally used the phrase “GDP growth” and referenced how high it was so I don’t get why you’d say I was the one who brought it up.

by lovich 8mo ago

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago

> What specifically has changed? >> Realizing that GDP growth can be achieved while average joe on Main Street is struggling Me: that’s not new. That didn’t change. > that this is an acceptable state? If we’re in a Cat 3 hurricane and someone complains about it being Cat 5, pointing out that’s wrong isn’t pro-hurricane.

lovich 8mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47303072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47303072 can you please look at this comment that you replied to at the beginning of this thread, and understand why I might be irate at your response. I had multiple paragraphs typed out that I have deleted so I could have a real conversation. Why do you think I responded to you the way I did?
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > Why do you think I responded to you the way I did? How is the rhethorical-question style working out? I'm pointing out an ahistorical claim in the top post. You want to broaden the discussion without acknowledging that, and without actually saying anything, which isn't particularly interesting to engage on.
  - lovich 8mo ago
    You didn’t point out an ahistorical claim. They didn’t claim that GDP wasn’t growing. They said that it wasn’t helping the common man and you jumped in with an equivalent of “but the DOW is over 50k”
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > They didn’t claim that GDP wasn’t growing. They said that it wasn’t helping the common man and you jumped in with an equivalent of “but the DOW is over 50k” No, this is a ridiculous misreading. They said that "realizing that GDP growth can be achieved while average joe on Main Street is struggling" is "what changed." That is ahistorical. I may realize, today, that the sky is blue, but that's a personal discovery, not a general one. GDP growth amidst widespread poverty has been the default in most of human history; it isn't what changed. Whether or not GDP is growing was never brought up by anyone except you.
      - lovich 8mo ago
        That’s a reasonable position but none of it came across in your comment here > This is most GDP growth across human history until the Industrial Revolution with the exception of maybe a half dozen civilisations. And you literally used the phrase “GDP growth” and referenced how high it was so I don’t get why you’d say I was the one who brought it up.