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Canada isnt liberal; it is corrupt. These are not the same things.

by petermcneeley 7mo ago

vincent-manis 7mo ago
Please define “corrupt”.
- petermcneeley 7mo ago
  Can you imagine asking someone to define corruption?
gucci-on-fleek 7mo ago
Compared to what? Everything is corrupt in some sense, but Canada generally ranks pretty well compared to most other countries [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada
- petermcneeley 7mo ago
  The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. I dont see that listed in this wiki entry. Perhaps this wiki is incomplete.
  - whattheheckheck 7mo ago
    Bet you listen to Joe rogan too
    - petermcneeley 7mo ago
      I do not.
  - gucci-on-fleek 7mo ago
    > The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). Ok, but I don't see how that's corruption. Switching to some American examples, I've never heard anyone refer to the jailing of MLK [0], the shooting of Vietnam War protesters [1], or Stonewall [2] as "corruption", and these are all much more extreme than the 2022 Canadian protests. > This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Do you have a source for this? Because §28.7 of the report from the independent commission [3] states that its use was legitimate: For these reasons, I have concluded that Cabinet was reasonably concerned that the situation it was facing was worsening and at risk of becoming dangerous and unmanageable. There was credible and compelling evidence supporting both a subjective and objective reasonable belief in the existence of a public order emergency. The decision to invoke the Act was appropriate. > Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. It was a decision made by the Cabinet while acting in its official capacity, so parliamentary privilege [4] means that there could never be any criminal consequences, no matter how severe what they did was. Political actions generally only have political consequences, and considering that Justin Trudeau and much of the Cabinet resigned a couple years later [5], I'd argue that there were in fact some consequences. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Luther_King_Jr._jailed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Lut... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots [3]: https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Final-Report/Vol-1-Report-of-the-Public-Inquiry-into-the-2022-Public-Order-Emergency.pdf#POEC-English-Volume%201_MASTER.indd%3A.63185%3A1494 https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Fi... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada [5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_political_crisis#Resignation_of_Justin_Trudeau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_pol...
    - petermcneeley 7mo ago
      I am aware of couching statements in the report but the conclusion was so definitive that the government immediately tried to appeal it and failed. "The Federal Court of Appeal confirms that the federal government’s invocation of the Emergencies Act was unreasonable and ultra vires [beyond their legal authority], and that it infringed paragraph 2(b) and section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms." [0] I am also aware that parliament is supreme. This is because the structure of Canada is that of a British colony. However that doesnt change the conclusion of the courts. Ironically the exit of the Cabinet members highlights further corruption. Canada has transferred ~25 Billion to Ukraine. The minister responsible for the debanking of Canadians has left Canada and taken an official post in the Ukrainian government for the distribution of this money.[1] In short you have completely no understanding of the level of corruption in this country. [0] https://www.fca-caf.ca/en/pages/decisions/plain-language-decision-summaries/2026-fca-6 https://www.fca-caf.ca/en/pages/decisions/plain-language-dec... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland
GJim 7mo ago
Oh dear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruptio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer

Canada isnt liberal; it is corrupt. These are not the same things.

vincent-manis 7mo ago

Please define “corrupt”.

petermcneeley 7mo ago
Can you imagine asking someone to define corruption?

gucci-on-fleek 7mo ago

Compared to what? Everything is corrupt in some sense, but Canada generally ranks pretty well compared to most other countries [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Canada

petermcneeley 7mo ago
The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. I dont see that listed in this wiki entry. Perhaps this wiki is incomplete.
- whattheheckheck 7mo ago
  Bet you listen to Joe rogan too
  - petermcneeley 7mo ago
    I do not.
- gucci-on-fleek 7mo ago
  > The Canadian gov debanked people during a legitimate protest using the emergency act (among other violations). Ok, but I don't see how that's corruption. Switching to some American examples, I've never heard anyone refer to the jailing of MLK [0], the shooting of Vietnam War protesters [1], or Stonewall [2] as "corruption", and these are all much more extreme than the 2022 Canadian protests. > This was later ruled to be an illegitimate use of this act. Do you have a source for this? Because §28.7 of the report from the independent commission [3] states that its use was legitimate: For these reasons, I have concluded that Cabinet was reasonably concerned that the situation it was facing was worsening and at risk of becoming dangerous and unmanageable. There was credible and compelling evidence supporting both a subjective and objective reasonable belief in the existence of a public order emergency. The decision to invoke the Act was appropriate. > Nobody has faced any consequences for this and none are expected. It was a decision made by the Cabinet while acting in its official capacity, so parliamentary privilege [4] means that there could never be any criminal consequences, no matter how severe what they did was. Political actions generally only have political consequences, and considering that Justin Trudeau and much of the Cabinet resigned a couple years later [5], I'd argue that there were in fact some consequences. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Luther_King_Jr._jailed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign#Martin_Lut... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots [3]: https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Final-Report/Vol-1-Report-of-the-Public-Inquiry-into-the-2022-Public-Order-Emergency.pdf#POEC-English-Volume%201_MASTER.indd%3A.63185%3A1494 https://publicorderemergencycommission.ca/files/documents/Fi... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege#Canada [5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_political_crisis#Resignation_of_Justin_Trudeau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Canadian_pol...
  - petermcneeley 7mo ago
    I am aware of couching statements in the report but the conclusion was so definitive that the government immediately tried to appeal it and failed. "The Federal Court of Appeal confirms that the federal government’s invocation of the Emergencies Act was unreasonable and ultra vires [beyond their legal authority], and that it infringed paragraph 2(b) and section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms." [0] I am also aware that parliament is supreme. This is because the structure of Canada is that of a British colony. However that doesnt change the conclusion of the courts. Ironically the exit of the Cabinet members highlights further corruption. Canada has transferred ~25 Billion to Ukraine. The minister responsible for the debanking of Canadians has left Canada and taken an official post in the Ukrainian government for the distribution of this money.[1] In short you have completely no understanding of the level of corruption in this country. [0] https://www.fca-caf.ca/en/pages/decisions/plain-language-decision-summaries/2026-fca-6 https://www.fca-caf.ca/en/pages/decisions/plain-language-dec... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrystia_Freeland

GJim 7mo ago

Oh dear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruptio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer