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The amount of resources required to federate with Bluesky (i.e. ingest the entire firehose) is untenable.

AlienRobot 7mo ago
It was not designed so anyone could run their own social media for $5. It simply has a fundamentally different design that tries to solve different problems. No need to call it a "joke." Both solutions can co-exist on vastness of the Internet.
mpalmer 7mo ago
Bluesky's end user story is extremely solid. User-driven, first class moderation tooling, inside the protocol. Why do you think the difference in resources required between the two is decisive? Your opinion sounds too strongly held to be defended this half-heartedly.
jauntywundrkind 7mo ago
Ingressing the firehose is by far the easiest part. Here's someone doing it on a $4/mo VPS. Lots of other examples, many on slightly more expensive systems. Phil here also runs a public link indexer service for all Bluesky on a raspberry pi 4 ("Constellation")!! https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ There's no other network where anything like this is remotely even possible today, much less at such tiny costs! And it turns out it's actually computationally not hard to do so much stuff! I ran into this really great thread from Henry Farrell on people who overly polarized themselves, who shut down being willing to hear anything else. https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7d2s https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7... Imo a good time to remember the old chant: "the only war that matters is the war against imagination; all other wars are subsumed by this war." A lot of totally closed people around HN parts. Atproto is one of the new favs for the shallow hate-brigade (alongside systemd, Linux audio, k8s).
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wolvoleo 7mo ago
It's more the parts they didn't make federated that hold it back in this regard. Maybe it's good for end users but that doesn't mean much if it can fall into the same enshittification trap as the others. Also, centralised moderation. I don't want to be dependent on an American company's moderation rules. There was an article here recently about someone who really tried setting up their own including a did:web and they ran into many problems. https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ There's still many little centralised ties in bluesky and I doubt they'll ever relinquish control completely. Personally I like nostr a lot more, it seems to be more censorship-resistant and really decentralised.
vvpan 7mo ago
Everybody is saying that but that but here is Bryan Newbold running one on $34/month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l

It was not designed so anyone could run their own social media for $5. It simply has a fundamentally different design that tries to solve different problems. No need to call it a "joke." Both solutions can co-exist on vastness of the Internet.

mpalmer 7mo ago

Bluesky's end user story is extremely solid. User-driven, first class moderation tooling, inside the protocol. Why do you think the difference in resources required between the two is decisive? Your opinion sounds too strongly held to be defended this half-heartedly.

jauntywundrkind 7mo ago

Ingressing the firehose is by far the easiest part. Here's someone doing it on a $4/mo VPS. Lots of other examples, many on slightly more expensive systems. Phil here also runs a public link indexer service for all Bluesky on a raspberry pi 4 ("Constellation")!! https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ There's no other network where anything like this is remotely even possible today, much less at such tiny costs! And it turns out it's actually computationally not hard to do so much stuff! I ran into this really great thread from Henry Farrell on people who overly polarized themselves, who shut down being willing to hear anything else. https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7d2s https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7... Imo a good time to remember the old chant: "the only war that matters is the war against imagination; all other wars are subsumed by this war." A lot of totally closed people around HN parts. Atproto is one of the new favs for the shallow hate-brigade (alongside systemd, Linux audio, k8s).

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wolvoleo 7mo ago

It's more the parts they didn't make federated that hold it back in this regard. Maybe it's good for end users but that doesn't mean much if it can fall into the same enshittification trap as the others. Also, centralised moderation. I don't want to be dependent on an American company's moderation rules. There was an article here recently about someone who really tried setting up their own including a did:web and they ran into many problems. https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ There's still many little centralised ties in bluesky and I doubt they'll ever relinquish control completely. Personally I like nostr a lot more, it seems to be more censorship-resistant and really decentralised.

vvpan 7mo ago

Everybody is saying that but that but here is Bryan Newbold running one on $34/month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l