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If you wish to avoid downvotes you might benefit from stating why you think ActivityPub’s decentralization is superior. We’re in a thread discussing an example

by afavour 8mo ago

If you wish to avoid downvotes you might benefit from stating why you think ActivityPub’s decentralization is superior. We’re in a thread discussing an example of Bluesky decentralization so it’s clearly possible.

HotGarbage 8mo ago
The amount of resources required to federate with Bluesky (i.e. ingest the entire firehose) is untenable.
- AlienRobot 8mo ago
  It was not designed so anyone could run their own social media for $5. It simply has a fundamentally different design that tries to solve different problems. No need to call it a "joke." Both solutions can co-exist on vastness of the Internet.
- mpalmer 8mo ago
  Bluesky's end user story is extremely solid. User-driven, first class moderation tooling, inside the protocol. Why do you think the difference in resources required between the two is decisive? Your opinion sounds too strongly held to be defended this half-heartedly.
- jauntywundrkind 8mo ago
  Ingressing the firehose is by far the easiest part. Here's someone doing it on a $4/mo VPS. Lots of other examples, many on slightly more expensive systems. Phil here also runs a public link indexer service for all Bluesky on a raspberry pi 4 ("Constellation")!! https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ There's no other network where anything like this is remotely even possible today, much less at such tiny costs! And it turns out it's actually computationally not hard to do so much stuff! I ran into this really great thread from Henry Farrell on people who overly polarized themselves, who shut down being willing to hear anything else. https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7d2s https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7... Imo a good time to remember the old chant: "the only war that matters is the war against imagination; all other wars are subsumed by this war." A lot of totally closed people around HN parts. Atproto is one of the new favs for the shallow hate-brigade (alongside systemd, Linux audio, k8s).
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- wolvoleo 8mo ago
  It's more the parts they didn't make federated that hold it back in this regard. Maybe it's good for end users but that doesn't mean much if it can fall into the same enshittification trap as the others. Also, centralised moderation. I don't want to be dependent on an American company's moderation rules. There was an article here recently about someone who really tried setting up their own including a did:web and they ran into many problems. https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ There's still many little centralised ties in bluesky and I doubt they'll ever relinquish control completely. Personally I like nostr a lot more, it seems to be more censorship-resistant and really decentralised.
- vvpan 8mo ago
  Everybody is saying that but that but here is Bryan Newbold running one on $34/month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l

by afavour 8mo ago

HotGarbage 8mo ago

The amount of resources required to federate with Bluesky (i.e. ingest the entire firehose) is untenable.

AlienRobot 8mo ago
It was not designed so anyone could run their own social media for $5. It simply has a fundamentally different design that tries to solve different problems. No need to call it a "joke." Both solutions can co-exist on vastness of the Internet.
mpalmer 8mo ago
Bluesky's end user story is extremely solid. User-driven, first class moderation tooling, inside the protocol. Why do you think the difference in resources required between the two is decisive? Your opinion sounds too strongly held to be defended this half-heartedly.
jauntywundrkind 8mo ago
Ingressing the firehose is by far the easiest part. Here's someone doing it on a $4/mo VPS. Lots of other examples, many on slightly more expensive systems. Phil here also runs a public link indexer service for all Bluesky on a raspberry pi 4 ("Constellation")!! https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ https://constellation.microcosm.blue/ There's no other network where anything like this is remotely even possible today, much less at such tiny costs! And it turns out it's actually computationally not hard to do so much stuff! I ran into this really great thread from Henry Farrell on people who overly polarized themselves, who shut down being willing to hear anything else. https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7d2s https://bsky.app/profile/himself.bsky.social/post/3mgagtkjg7... Imo a good time to remember the old chant: "the only war that matters is the war against imagination; all other wars are subsumed by this war." A lot of totally closed people around HN parts. Atproto is one of the new favs for the shallow hate-brigade (alongside systemd, Linux audio, k8s).
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wolvoleo 8mo ago
It's more the parts they didn't make federated that hold it back in this regard. Maybe it's good for end users but that doesn't mean much if it can fall into the same enshittification trap as the others. Also, centralised moderation. I don't want to be dependent on an American company's moderation rules. There was an article here recently about someone who really tried setting up their own including a did:web and they ran into many problems. https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ https://notes.nora.codes/atproto-again/ There's still many little centralised ties in bluesky and I doubt they'll ever relinquish control completely. Personally I like nostr a lot more, it seems to be more censorship-resistant and really decentralised.
vvpan 8mo ago
Everybody is saying that but that but here is Bryan Newbold running one on $34/month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l