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Honestly, not enough of a joke. I was thinking something similar - this isn't AI, and none of "those people" care if it is or isn't. They don't care philosophi

Honestly, not enough of a joke. I was thinking something similar - this isn't AI, and none of "those people" care if it is or isn't. They don't care philosophically, or even pragmatically. They're selling a product. That product is the IDEA of replacement of the majority of human labor with what's basically slave labor but with substantially disregardable ethical quandaries. It's honestly a genius product. I'm not surprised it's selling so well. I'm vaguely surprised so many people who don't stand to benefit in any way shape or form, or who will even potentially starve if it works out, are so keen on it. But there are always bootlickers. The most unfortunate part is that when the party ends, it's none of "those people" who will suffer even in the slightest. I'm not even optimistic their egos will suffer, as Musk seems to show they are utterly immune even as their companies collapse under them.

ryandrake 7mo ago
AI is already "an employee who can't say no to questionable assignments." We should all be reflective about the real value and inevitable consequences of this work.
- hunterpayne 7mo ago
  There are also direct and very negative consequences we are having from AI right now. AI is the largest source of fake video propaganda and has largely destroyed the confidence people have in video evidence. I can imagine someone being held liable for these negative consequences, perhaps even extra-judicially.
palmotea 7mo ago
> I'm vaguely surprised so many people who don't stand to benefit in any way shape or form, or who will even potentially starve if it works out, are so keen on it. But there are always bootlickers. I've been getting more and more disappointed by software engineers (in aggregate) as the years go by. They don't even have to be bootlickers to do what you describe, I think a lot of it is pride in their "intelligence," which they express by believing and regurgitating the propaganda they've consumed. They prove their smarts by (among other things) having opinions that align with a zeitgeist of some group of powerful elites. They're too-easily manipulated. And it's not just AI, it's also things like libertarianism. You've got workers identifying as capitalist tycoons, because they read a book and have some shares in a 401k.
- wolvesechoes 7mo ago
  > I've been getting more and more disappointed by software engineers (in aggregate) as the years go by Sometimes I am dismayed by the lack of political and social consciousness in this group. Decade or two of digital boom coupled with handsome paychecks was enough to convince them that their position is different than it really is.

ryandrake 7mo ago

AI is already "an employee who can't say no to questionable assignments." We should all be reflective about the real value and inevitable consequences of this work.

hunterpayne 7mo ago
There are also direct and very negative consequences we are having from AI right now. AI is the largest source of fake video propaganda and has largely destroyed the confidence people have in video evidence. I can imagine someone being held liable for these negative consequences, perhaps even extra-judicially.

palmotea 7mo ago

> I'm vaguely surprised so many people who don't stand to benefit in any way shape or form, or who will even potentially starve if it works out, are so keen on it. But there are always bootlickers. I've been getting more and more disappointed by software engineers (in aggregate) as the years go by. They don't even have to be bootlickers to do what you describe, I think a lot of it is pride in their "intelligence," which they express by believing and regurgitating the propaganda they've consumed. They prove their smarts by (among other things) having opinions that align with a zeitgeist of some group of powerful elites. They're too-easily manipulated. And it's not just AI, it's also things like libertarianism. You've got workers identifying as capitalist tycoons, because they read a book and have some shares in a 401k.

wolvesechoes 7mo ago
> I've been getting more and more disappointed by software engineers (in aggregate) as the years go by Sometimes I am dismayed by the lack of political and social consciousness in this group. Decade or two of digital boom coupled with handsome paychecks was enough to convince them that their position is different than it really is.