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Yeah it's weird, there was one case where I thought it was AI but wasn't sure. Several other comments pointed it out, too. Author claimed he wrote it manually.

by andai 8mo ago

Yeah it's weird, there was one case where I thought it was AI but wasn't sure. Several other comments pointed it out, too. Author claimed he wrote it manually. (Which is honestly even more concerning!) Maybe there can be a dedicated 'flag botspam' button? Then again it's a nuanced issue. I see AI used in a large percentage of writing now, so would this rule apply to the article as well?

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xpe 8mo ago
> Yeah it's weird, there was one case where I thought it was AI but wasn't sure. Several other comments pointed it out, too. Author claimed he wrote it manually. (Which is honestly even more concerning!) I find the above comment concerning, so I ask: to what degree is the above commenter calibrated to ground truth? How would they know? How would we know? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibrated_probability_assessment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibrated_probability_assessm... It seems to me comments like the above are overconfident in the worst ways.
- andai 8mo ago
  He was using a dozen obvious ChatGPT-isms. So either he was lying about writing it manually (the comforting option), or he actually writes like that, which is what I meant being concerning. But yeah, there isn't a way to prove it one way or the over, even when it's "obvious". I saw in some schools they're using systems where you have to type the essay in a web app, and the web app analyzes your keystrokes to determine if you're human.
  - xpe 8mo ago
    Thanks for sharing. / Speaking of keystroke analysis, have you read "Fall" by Neal Stephenson? A fun read; there is a generalization of this idea therein.
layer8 8mo ago
> Maybe there can be a dedicated 'flag botspam' button? We already have flagging and downvoting?
- hamdingers 8mo ago
  Abusing the flag button by reporting LLM generated posts and comments (which are not breaking any current guidelines) seems like a good way to get your flags ignored.
  - echoangle 8mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47290841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47290841 It is against the rules though
    - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
      I would be worried the reason for the flag wasn't _immediately_ obvious. Maybe if there was a drop-down for the rule being violated it would help.
    - zahlman 8mo ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47261561 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47261561 seems like a better source for the policy.
    - hamdingers 8mo ago
      What a bizarre way to run a community. The guidelines make no mention of this "rule," does dang not have the ability to edit them?
  - layer8 8mo ago
    Flagging isn’t only in case of breaking the guidelines. From the FAQ: What does [flagged] mean? Users flagged the post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on HN. In other words, submissions get flagged that users believe don’t belong on HN. LLM-written submissions can be one such case.

by andai 8mo ago

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xpe 8mo ago

> Yeah it's weird, there was one case where I thought it was AI but wasn't sure. Several other comments pointed it out, too. Author claimed he wrote it manually. (Which is honestly even more concerning!) I find the above comment concerning, so I ask: to what degree is the above commenter calibrated to ground truth? How would they know? How would we know? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibrated_probability_assessment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibrated_probability_assessm... It seems to me comments like the above are overconfident in the worst ways.

andai 8mo ago
He was using a dozen obvious ChatGPT-isms. So either he was lying about writing it manually (the comforting option), or he actually writes like that, which is what I meant being concerning. But yeah, there isn't a way to prove it one way or the over, even when it's "obvious". I saw in some schools they're using systems where you have to type the essay in a web app, and the web app analyzes your keystrokes to determine if you're human.
- xpe 8mo ago
  Thanks for sharing. / Speaking of keystroke analysis, have you read "Fall" by Neal Stephenson? A fun read; there is a generalization of this idea therein.

layer8 8mo ago

> Maybe there can be a dedicated 'flag botspam' button? We already have flagging and downvoting?

hamdingers 8mo ago
Abusing the flag button by reporting LLM generated posts and comments (which are not breaking any current guidelines) seems like a good way to get your flags ignored.
- echoangle 8mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47290841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47290841 It is against the rules though
  - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
    I would be worried the reason for the flag wasn't _immediately_ obvious. Maybe if there was a drop-down for the rule being violated it would help.
  - zahlman 8mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47261561 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47261561 seems like a better source for the policy.
  - hamdingers 8mo ago
    What a bizarre way to run a community. The guidelines make no mention of this "rule," does dang not have the ability to edit them?
- layer8 8mo ago
  Flagging isn’t only in case of breaking the guidelines. From the FAQ: What does [flagged] mean? Users flagged the post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on HN. In other words, submissions get flagged that users believe don’t belong on HN. LLM-written submissions can be one such case.