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> This was about principle, not people. Why do I not believe this at all? Were things truly sunshine and roses at OpenAI up until this Pentagon debacle? Perhap

by hirvi74 8mo ago

> This was about principle, not people. Why do I not believe this at all? Were things truly sunshine and roses at OpenAI up until this Pentagon debacle? Perhaps I am mistaken, but it seemed like the writing was on the wall years ago. > I have deep respect for Sam and the team I have even more questions now.

lucianbr 8mo ago
How can you respect someone who betrays a principle you care about for money? Not to mention that the principles are not being betrayed now for the first time.
- hirvi74 8mo ago
  > respect someone who betrays a principle you care about for money? That is one of my many questions too. I am not certain I believe her either. People predicted AI would be used in such nefarious manners way before AI even existed. Something about the whole resignation and immediate social media post seems more like an attention grab than anything else to me. Whatever her prerogative is, I still believe she is still partially culpable for anything that becomes of this technology -- good or bad.
- Lerc 8mo ago
  You could believe it is not about money. Most importantly, this seems to rest more on if you believe the principle was being followed or not. It is possible to believe one thing, have another person believe another thing, and respect that their decision is sincerely held but subject to a different perspective, as is our own beliefs. You can stand up for what you believe and still respectfully disagree with someone with a different stance. The problem is when you decide that reality always conforms to you opinion. If you assume the other person is aware of that reality and decides differently than it becomes a betrayal of principles. Assuming to know the internal state of another's mind to declare that it is for money becomes disrespectfully presumptuous. Your problem is not in understanding how X can occur if Y. It is assuming that everyone agrees with you on Y. You might be right about Y, you might be wrong. Even if you are right, it is still possible that Y is a belief a rational person can hold if their perspective has been different,
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daheza 8mo ago
Sounds like a statement to ensure they aren’t blacklisted or seen as anti executive.
- hirvi74 8mo ago
  > they aren’t blacklisted or seen as anti executive. Which further solidifies my belief that this person is being disingenuous.

by hirvi74 8mo ago

lucianbr 8mo ago

How can you respect someone who betrays a principle you care about for money? Not to mention that the principles are not being betrayed now for the first time.

hirvi74 8mo ago
> respect someone who betrays a principle you care about for money? That is one of my many questions too. I am not certain I believe her either. People predicted AI would be used in such nefarious manners way before AI even existed. Something about the whole resignation and immediate social media post seems more like an attention grab than anything else to me. Whatever her prerogative is, I still believe she is still partially culpable for anything that becomes of this technology -- good or bad.
Lerc 8mo ago
You could believe it is not about money. Most importantly, this seems to rest more on if you believe the principle was being followed or not. It is possible to believe one thing, have another person believe another thing, and respect that their decision is sincerely held but subject to a different perspective, as is our own beliefs. You can stand up for what you believe and still respectfully disagree with someone with a different stance. The problem is when you decide that reality always conforms to you opinion. If you assume the other person is aware of that reality and decides differently than it becomes a betrayal of principles. Assuming to know the internal state of another's mind to declare that it is for money becomes disrespectfully presumptuous. Your problem is not in understanding how X can occur if Y. It is assuming that everyone agrees with you on Y. You might be right about Y, you might be wrong. Even if you are right, it is still possible that Y is a belief a rational person can hold if their perspective has been different,
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daheza 8mo ago

Sounds like a statement to ensure they aren’t blacklisted or seen as anti executive.

hirvi74 8mo ago
> they aren’t blacklisted or seen as anti executive. Which further solidifies my belief that this person is being disingenuous.