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The thing is, it doesn't matter. Everyone with an argument is wrong. All you're arguing about is when you start/finish work/school. But it it doesn't matter and

The thing is, it doesn't matter. Everyone with an argument is wrong. All you're arguing about is when you start/finish work/school. But it it doesn't matter and you have to arbitrarily label the hours of the day with numbers, you'd obviously pick standard time and not randomly offset everything by an hour.

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Mountain_Skies 8mo ago
Though I'd prefer solar noon to be close to clock noon, I'd be fine with permanent DST if it meant we stop fiddling with the clocks twice a year. I can adjust the relationship between clock time and solar time for myself just fine, even if some aspects of society care more about clock time than solar time. It's the hour jump twice a year that annoys me.
russellbeattie 8mo ago
Agreed. The problem is that so much of our culture is tied to specific hours on the clock (e.g. "9 to 5"), even though it doesn't need to be that way. China has one time zone and it works fine. Most of Spain is west of Greenwich, yet remains on European time. People there just adjust and don't insist that certain times of day have universal meanings. Standard Time vs Daylight Saving Time is exactly the same as Big Endian vs Little Endian. Jonathan Swift is laughing at us from the beyond.
- Ekaros 8mo ago
  I can say that it will take surprisingly little time for everyone to adjust for any new times. And often the times are already very fluid. Flexible work hours with set core hours are common enough in some places.
  - globular-toast 8mo ago
    So why change it?
michaelt 8mo ago
> you'd obviously pick standard time and not randomly offset everything by an hour Isn't Pacific Daylight Time = Mountain Standard Time? You can offset everything by an hour and still have 'standard' in the name of the timezone.
- globular-toast 8mo ago
  Yeah, you could just start counting from two and call it the standard counting system, but why would you? The current system works fine and there's no need to change it.

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Mountain_Skies 8mo ago

Though I'd prefer solar noon to be close to clock noon, I'd be fine with permanent DST if it meant we stop fiddling with the clocks twice a year. I can adjust the relationship between clock time and solar time for myself just fine, even if some aspects of society care more about clock time than solar time. It's the hour jump twice a year that annoys me.

russellbeattie 8mo ago

Agreed. The problem is that so much of our culture is tied to specific hours on the clock (e.g. "9 to 5"), even though it doesn't need to be that way. China has one time zone and it works fine. Most of Spain is west of Greenwich, yet remains on European time. People there just adjust and don't insist that certain times of day have universal meanings. Standard Time vs Daylight Saving Time is exactly the same as Big Endian vs Little Endian. Jonathan Swift is laughing at us from the beyond.

Ekaros 8mo ago
I can say that it will take surprisingly little time for everyone to adjust for any new times. And often the times are already very fluid. Flexible work hours with set core hours are common enough in some places.
- globular-toast 8mo ago
  So why change it?

michaelt 8mo ago

> you'd obviously pick standard time and not randomly offset everything by an hour Isn't Pacific Daylight Time = Mountain Standard Time? You can offset everything by an hour and still have 'standard' in the name of the timezone.

globular-toast 8mo ago
Yeah, you could just start counting from two and call it the standard counting system, but why would you? The current system works fine and there's no need to change it.