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Is this supposed to be a diversion from something else? It’s so over the top, even for this timeline.

by wvbdmp 7mo ago

UltraSane 7mo ago
No, some evangelicals really are this crazy.
- cyanydeez 7mo ago
  yeah, so, if you _ignore the entire Trump_ connected escapades of dimentia, narcissism, pedophilia, etc... you're still left with a cult of evangelicals who want to usher in the end times by helping Israel. And if there's to grandiose, there's the more blandness of turning back progress to pre-civil rights, pre-sufferage and returning to Kings as god-given rulers. Anyone who didn't read project 2025 did a deservice to this string of inanity.
- scrubs 7mo ago
  Correct. I was raised but quit this environment around 15. Peculiar to us American's is the Protestant evangelical Christains who for which the apocalyptic books of Revelations, Daniel is literally true. And thereto every 10-15 years there's a bunch of Armageddon is nigh runs hot in their world. The last one I suffered through was the era of US v. Communism with a side of AIDs around 1980. Seriously demented nonsense. And something else again from personal dealings here: the evangelical type is pushy boot strapping God's plan for them into material world through networking, media savvy, outrage, fear and basic organizational money raising to power. Its strange to watch. Alone they seem to have no bearings or self importance or relevance. To get what they feel they need, they attach to the flag, goverment ie to power in state.
- PearlRiver 7mo ago
  I thought Christians got over this when they lost Jerusalem in the Crusades and switched the holy land for Rome.
  - MandieD 7mo ago
    The ones who consider Rome to be holy aren’t, generally speaking, the ones to worry about (at least in this matter). Catholicism considers US Evangelical-style Rapture theology to be heretical, and Catholic soldiers would likely find being pressed by commanders to consider it just as offensive as atheists and other non-Christians would.
FarmerPotato 7mo ago
Unfortunately, evangelicals have been pushing this interpretation since the 1980s, at least. Many of them voted for Reagan. In my circle of family and friends, several of them were military or contractors with secret-level clearances, ie serious people. When I read this, I just thought "Oh so its metastasized now." Those among them who voted for Trump in 2016 hoped for the end times. The whole thing about Trump being "anointed by God to use as he did King Saul" was mainstream in mega-churches at that time. Combine that with decades of recitals that the End Times would be near when Israel's capital moved to Jerusalem (Trump proclaimed that as a handout to evangelicals) and all the nations would come to Megiddo to do battle... this is a well-trodden story.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > evangelicals have been pushing this interpretation since the 1980s, at least Source? I would have thought it was way older. (Counterargument: high-octane crazy tends to mellow with time.)
  - master_crab 7mo ago
    They are referring to the current crop of brimstone evangelists that used their pulpit to push their extremism to great political effect. Jerry Falwell was one of the pioneers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority
  - UncleMeat 7mo ago
    You can check out thought leaders in the NAR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation). "The US is uniquely responsible for bringing about the end times through violence in the middle east" has been a belief system amongst a subset of american evangelicals, many of whom hold significant power, for a while. But it hasn't been around forever. It really is an idea that grew out of the late 20th century.
  - FarmerPotato 7mo ago
    Not sure what source you're asking for... my source is my memory. But here is a brief reading list. Yes, I'm aware that the theology goes back to the 1890s. I don't know the details. Those details are jammed further down than the story of Americans forgetting that their stone monuments to the 10 Commandments were put up in public spaces as a tie-in with Cecil B. DeMille's movie. Brief Reagan-era End Times Bibliography Hal Lindsay: The Late Great Planet Earth. 1970. Henry Morris: The Revelation Record. 1983. Salem Kirban: 666 & 1000. Tim LaHaye: dozens of books, and Left Behind novels. Political actor.
cookiengineer 7mo ago
Maybe they invested too much in VaultCorp?
xg15 7mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

Is this supposed to be a diversion from something else? It’s so over the top, even for this timeline.

by wvbdmp 7mo ago

Is this supposed to be a diversion from something else? It’s so over the top, even for this timeline.

UltraSane 7mo ago

No, some evangelicals really are this crazy.

cyanydeez 7mo ago
yeah, so, if you _ignore the entire Trump_ connected escapades of dimentia, narcissism, pedophilia, etc... you're still left with a cult of evangelicals who want to usher in the end times by helping Israel. And if there's to grandiose, there's the more blandness of turning back progress to pre-civil rights, pre-sufferage and returning to Kings as god-given rulers. Anyone who didn't read project 2025 did a deservice to this string of inanity.
scrubs 7mo ago
Correct. I was raised but quit this environment around 15. Peculiar to us American's is the Protestant evangelical Christains who for which the apocalyptic books of Revelations, Daniel is literally true. And thereto every 10-15 years there's a bunch of Armageddon is nigh runs hot in their world. The last one I suffered through was the era of US v. Communism with a side of AIDs around 1980. Seriously demented nonsense. And something else again from personal dealings here: the evangelical type is pushy boot strapping God's plan for them into material world through networking, media savvy, outrage, fear and basic organizational money raising to power. Its strange to watch. Alone they seem to have no bearings or self importance or relevance. To get what they feel they need, they attach to the flag, goverment ie to power in state.
PearlRiver 7mo ago
I thought Christians got over this when they lost Jerusalem in the Crusades and switched the holy land for Rome.
- MandieD 7mo ago
  The ones who consider Rome to be holy aren’t, generally speaking, the ones to worry about (at least in this matter). Catholicism considers US Evangelical-style Rapture theology to be heretical, and Catholic soldiers would likely find being pressed by commanders to consider it just as offensive as atheists and other non-Christians would.

FarmerPotato 7mo ago

Unfortunately, evangelicals have been pushing this interpretation since the 1980s, at least. Many of them voted for Reagan. In my circle of family and friends, several of them were military or contractors with secret-level clearances, ie serious people. When I read this, I just thought "Oh so its metastasized now." Those among them who voted for Trump in 2016 hoped for the end times. The whole thing about Trump being "anointed by God to use as he did King Saul" was mainstream in mega-churches at that time. Combine that with decades of recitals that the End Times would be near when Israel's capital moved to Jerusalem (Trump proclaimed that as a handout to evangelicals) and all the nations would come to Megiddo to do battle... this is a well-trodden story.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> evangelicals have been pushing this interpretation since the 1980s, at least Source? I would have thought it was way older. (Counterargument: high-octane crazy tends to mellow with time.)
- master_crab 7mo ago
  They are referring to the current crop of brimstone evangelists that used their pulpit to push their extremism to great political effect. Jerry Falwell was one of the pioneers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority
- UncleMeat 7mo ago
  You can check out thought leaders in the NAR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation). "The US is uniquely responsible for bringing about the end times through violence in the middle east" has been a belief system amongst a subset of american evangelicals, many of whom hold significant power, for a while. But it hasn't been around forever. It really is an idea that grew out of the late 20th century.
- FarmerPotato 7mo ago
  Not sure what source you're asking for... my source is my memory. But here is a brief reading list. Yes, I'm aware that the theology goes back to the 1890s. I don't know the details. Those details are jammed further down than the story of Americans forgetting that their stone monuments to the 10 Commandments were put up in public spaces as a tie-in with Cecil B. DeMille's movie. Brief Reagan-era End Times Bibliography Hal Lindsay: The Late Great Planet Earth. 1970. Henry Morris: The Revelation Record. 1983. Salem Kirban: 666 & 1000. Tim LaHaye: dozens of books, and Left Behind novels. Political actor.

cookiengineer 7mo ago

Maybe they invested too much in VaultCorp?

xg15 7mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism