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Then, like, what's the point of even being a human instead of a robot?

by onlyrealcuzzo 8mo ago

MattGaiser 8mo ago
You would be free to decide, instead of having it being biologically required that you socialize.
Aaargh20318 8mo ago
To learn, to create, to grow? None of these things necessarily involve other humans.
- Tepix 8mo ago
  But why if no-one is around to see it, admire it, comment on it, use it?
  - deleted 8mo ago
    [deleted]
  - Towaway69 8mo ago
    If a human lives and no one noticed that human, did that human really live or have a life? Much like a soundless tree in the forest.
    - vuln 8mo ago
      a human can not be brought into this world without being painfully noticed.
- TaupeRanger 8mo ago
  Absolutely wrong, of course. At the risk of engaging with apparent rage bait: social interaction is one type of human yearning. So are learning, creating, and growing. Each of them requires other humans. Learning requires studying the knowledge created by other humans. Creating requires materials and methods created by other humans. Growing requires learning, so by extension, other humans.
  - charcircuit 8mo ago
    >Learning requires studying the knowledge created by other humans. You can learn from AI. Just because it comes from another human you doing have to socialize with that human. >Creating requires materials and methods created by other humans. You can AI generate these materials. And even if you don't, downloading an image or using a method from someone else does not require socialize with them.
    - TaupeRanger 8mo ago
      > You can learn from AI. Try learning to box from an AI. > You can AI generate these materials Um...no...I meant actual material things that you use to create what you want. The supply chains that manufacture the materials necessary for you to "create" all require social interaction at multiple levels throughout the process. Sorry, your depressing anti-social hermit paradise can't exist.
jatari 8mo ago
Nothing wrong with being a robot.
- knowitnone3 8mo ago
  [dead]
Telaneo 8mo ago
I'd rather be a robot than a human, so from my perspective, the answer is clearly clearly none. I just don't have the option of turning into a robot.
- Imustaskforhelp 7mo ago
  There are already robots, well I suppose LLM's and average person treats them like utter shit because we can (In a similar way to how the rich might treat average person sometimes* [not all and that's not really my point either] but yea) My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings. you wouldn't be spared. So are you asking the lack of feelings? And even if that's the case then, there are people who had gone into accidents who lost their feelings/emotional part of the brain. They sucked at making decisions because I remember reading how the person binge watched shows instead of watching his son's football games, how he couldn't decide what is more important, buying a stapler or filing his taxes (I can be wrong about this one but something similar related to pencils) but my point is that he couldn't make good decisions. He couldn't really compare between two decisions. Now look at robots, look at LLM's. They can't decide if a car is 50m away then should it be drove or should you walk. They are essentially just a corpus of human data congested into a servant while being nothing more than auto correct on steroids in its true form. Humanity has its flaws. I absolutely agree. But I think that the reason we have good is also because humanity has flaws. Much of my morality stems from the fact that if I die and I am gonna die someday, that's for sure, then what's my footprint on the world no matter how tiny and questions like these. I suppose every human feels that way. A robot has no purpose other than being spawned in to create something brittle like yet-another-crud-app. Perhaps one can argue that humanity is the same seeing the horrors we unleash on each other and tbh we humans have just spawned here and we weren't asked by anyone to exist in our form or not. But at some point, we do have free-will and freedom no matter how tiny might it seem in algorithms the size of mountains and we can exercise it to bring meaningful change maybe. I'd rather be human and go watch my children's football game in future rather than be robot. Maybe the surrounding and family and the community as say even hackernews around us give some meaning as we bump into each other.
  - Telaneo 7mo ago
mock-possum 7mo ago
1. That’s not an option and 2. There is no point. Life is what you make of it, whether you’re a robot or a human.

Then, like, what's the point of even being a human instead of a robot?

MattGaiser 8mo ago

You would be free to decide, instead of having it being biologically required that you socialize.

Aaargh20318 8mo ago

To learn, to create, to grow? None of these things necessarily involve other humans.

Tepix 8mo ago
But why if no-one is around to see it, admire it, comment on it, use it?
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- Towaway69 8mo ago
  If a human lives and no one noticed that human, did that human really live or have a life? Much like a soundless tree in the forest.
  - vuln 8mo ago
    a human can not be brought into this world without being painfully noticed.
TaupeRanger 8mo ago
Absolutely wrong, of course. At the risk of engaging with apparent rage bait: social interaction is one type of human yearning. So are learning, creating, and growing. Each of them requires other humans. Learning requires studying the knowledge created by other humans. Creating requires materials and methods created by other humans. Growing requires learning, so by extension, other humans.
- charcircuit 8mo ago
  >Learning requires studying the knowledge created by other humans. You can learn from AI. Just because it comes from another human you doing have to socialize with that human. >Creating requires materials and methods created by other humans. You can AI generate these materials. And even if you don't, downloading an image or using a method from someone else does not require socialize with them.
  - TaupeRanger 8mo ago
    > You can learn from AI. Try learning to box from an AI. > You can AI generate these materials Um...no...I meant actual material things that you use to create what you want. The supply chains that manufacture the materials necessary for you to "create" all require social interaction at multiple levels throughout the process. Sorry, your depressing anti-social hermit paradise can't exist.

jatari 8mo ago

Nothing wrong with being a robot.

knowitnone3 8mo ago
[dead]

Telaneo 8mo ago

I'd rather be a robot than a human, so from my perspective, the answer is clearly clearly none. I just don't have the option of turning into a robot.

Imustaskforhelp 7mo ago
There are already robots, well I suppose LLM's and average person treats them like utter shit because we can (In a similar way to how the rich might treat average person sometimes* [not all and that's not really my point either] but yea) My point is that even if you were a robot, if you had feelings. you wouldn't be spared. So are you asking the lack of feelings? And even if that's the case then, there are people who had gone into accidents who lost their feelings/emotional part of the brain. They sucked at making decisions because I remember reading how the person binge watched shows instead of watching his son's football games, how he couldn't decide what is more important, buying a stapler or filing his taxes (I can be wrong about this one but something similar related to pencils) but my point is that he couldn't make good decisions. He couldn't really compare between two decisions. Now look at robots, look at LLM's. They can't decide if a car is 50m away then should it be drove or should you walk. They are essentially just a corpus of human data congested into a servant while being nothing more than auto correct on steroids in its true form. Humanity has its flaws. I absolutely agree. But I think that the reason we have good is also because humanity has flaws. Much of my morality stems from the fact that if I die and I am gonna die someday, that's for sure, then what's my footprint on the world no matter how tiny and questions like these. I suppose every human feels that way. A robot has no purpose other than being spawned in to create something brittle like yet-another-crud-app. Perhaps one can argue that humanity is the same seeing the horrors we unleash on each other and tbh we humans have just spawned here and we weren't asked by anyone to exist in our form or not. But at some point, we do have free-will and freedom no matter how tiny might it seem in algorithms the size of mountains and we can exercise it to bring meaningful change maybe. I'd rather be human and go watch my children's football game in future rather than be robot. Maybe the surrounding and family and the community as say even hackernews around us give some meaning as we bump into each other.
- Telaneo 7mo ago

mock-possum 7mo ago

1. That’s not an option and 2. There is no point. Life is what you make of it, whether you’re a robot or a human.