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I'm really curious to understand why this was done and why it was necessary. I cannot imagine the AI was used to identify targets without any base information.

I'm really curious to understand why this was done and why it was necessary. I cannot imagine the AI was used to identify targets without any base information. ie, I imagine the military already had a list of targets and locations. How would the AI know from satellite imagery that something was a military target. If that's the case, why did they need help selecting targets? I can only imagine that the military bases and targets are well known and well studied. What would they have actually needed AI assistance for?

aceazzameen 7mo ago
My guess is to keep the US economy going.
- boomskats 7mo ago
  You mean the immediate personal macroeconomy of a very specific subset of the US political class?
  - AndrewKemendo 7mo ago
    Yes unfortunately that’s how the economy works
ogig 7mo ago
This is wild guess. I'm working with GIS and Claude has proven to be extremely savvy. I can see operators throwing hundreds of layers and coming back with a "there a possible military installation here". Same tech that is used to find unregulated pools, or measuring the density of parking lots, or Nazca lines, but much more on demand for specific purposes. Just to clarify, I don't condone the use of AI for guessing targets, but I think that's what may be going on here.
- nixass 7mo ago
  Interesting. I wonder if someone will be guest speaker at one of the podcasts in 30 years time and talk about this kind of stuff
- GolfPopper 7mo ago
  You may be grossly overestimating the amount of thought than went into this: "For instance, Israel has bombed a park in Tehran called "Police park." It has nothing to do with the police."[1] 1. https://x.com/tparsi/status/2029555364262228454 https://x.com/tparsi/status/2029555364262228454
- karussell 7mo ago
  Just curious, for what exact purpose are you using Claude? Does it analyze geographic data for you or images or something? Or does it help you writing code that does this? Or does it create visualization for you?
  - ogig 7mo ago
    All of those. Applied to urban development; It analyzes GIS layers, validates and extracts data that will be used in text reports, huge time saving mechanical extraction, before it was a bunch of manual steps on each project. I used it to develop a heavy GIS application that hubs many public data providers. And It does help us create the maps/visualizations from that data, again a sort of mechanical transformation. None of these are groundbreaking, but we you stack all of them you end with big time savings.
yrter65 7mo ago
Google for The Atlantic Dexter Filkins article on targeting with AI.
rasz 7mo ago
You have 1000 launches going off from Iran in 24 hour period. Do you have hundreds of people look at pixels of prUmpt the AI to track it back to sources?
breppp 7mo ago
I am guessing this is the case where a pre created narrative ("Killing AI bots") is force fitted into a more nuanced instance of reality. These are probably analysts that use Claude that has an MCP server to some palantir half-assed intelligence product. This is then pushed by non-technical journalists as some doomsday immoral non-human killing machine. This is similar to the story behind Cambridge Analytica, which was essentially a company using crapware facebook API software to harvest voters data, but the media version of it was "tech companies can change election results" which echoed a season plotline of House of Cards (and older narratives of shadow forces)
skeledrew 7mo ago
Throw Claude - or any other very good LLM - a bunch of data and it'll give results in seconds/minutes. Very similar to how sometimes when I run into a stubborn bug, I use a tracer to capture everything that's happening. Before, it'd take me sometimes hours and several scans before I find the issue, and maybe a bit more time to fix it depending on the severity. Now I just throw that full trace at Claude, and so far, 100% of the time it finds and resolves the issue in a few seconds. If the problem/question can be fixed/answered by what's in the given data, I've found Claude to be very good at finding it. And if you haven't given it the data, it's also very good at hypothesizing and telling you where+how to get relevant data so it can prove its hypothesis. Not much different from giving it a bunch of satellite, traffic, etc data of a target and asking it to find areas to prioritize based on movement of particular personnel/equipment, etc.
- raffael_de 7mo ago
  seems like you're missing the forest (this being a matter of life and death) for the trees (you found some bugs).
  - skeledrew 7mo ago
    Not really. The query was re the value-add of AI to a target identification task, which I addressed using a conceptually parallel case that I personally encountered. The AI has no concept of "life and death" or "bugs". It's just generating a response based on the patterns in the data it's been given, and it's training makes that response something the user desires (ideally).
aaron695 7mo ago
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aceazzameen 7mo ago

My guess is to keep the US economy going.

boomskats 7mo ago
You mean the immediate personal macroeconomy of a very specific subset of the US political class?
- AndrewKemendo 7mo ago
  Yes unfortunately that’s how the economy works

ogig 7mo ago

This is wild guess. I'm working with GIS and Claude has proven to be extremely savvy. I can see operators throwing hundreds of layers and coming back with a "there a possible military installation here". Same tech that is used to find unregulated pools, or measuring the density of parking lots, or Nazca lines, but much more on demand for specific purposes. Just to clarify, I don't condone the use of AI for guessing targets, but I think that's what may be going on here.

nixass 7mo ago
Interesting. I wonder if someone will be guest speaker at one of the podcasts in 30 years time and talk about this kind of stuff
GolfPopper 7mo ago
You may be grossly overestimating the amount of thought than went into this: "For instance, Israel has bombed a park in Tehran called "Police park." It has nothing to do with the police."[1] 1. https://x.com/tparsi/status/2029555364262228454 https://x.com/tparsi/status/2029555364262228454
karussell 7mo ago
Just curious, for what exact purpose are you using Claude? Does it analyze geographic data for you or images or something? Or does it help you writing code that does this? Or does it create visualization for you?
- ogig 7mo ago
  All of those. Applied to urban development; It analyzes GIS layers, validates and extracts data that will be used in text reports, huge time saving mechanical extraction, before it was a bunch of manual steps on each project. I used it to develop a heavy GIS application that hubs many public data providers. And It does help us create the maps/visualizations from that data, again a sort of mechanical transformation. None of these are groundbreaking, but we you stack all of them you end with big time savings.

yrter65 7mo ago

Google for The Atlantic Dexter Filkins article on targeting with AI.

rasz 7mo ago

You have 1000 launches going off from Iran in 24 hour period. Do you have hundreds of people look at pixels of prUmpt the AI to track it back to sources?

breppp 7mo ago

I am guessing this is the case where a pre created narrative ("Killing AI bots") is force fitted into a more nuanced instance of reality. These are probably analysts that use Claude that has an MCP server to some palantir half-assed intelligence product. This is then pushed by non-technical journalists as some doomsday immoral non-human killing machine. This is similar to the story behind Cambridge Analytica, which was essentially a company using crapware facebook API software to harvest voters data, but the media version of it was "tech companies can change election results" which echoed a season plotline of House of Cards (and older narratives of shadow forces)

skeledrew 7mo ago

Throw Claude - or any other very good LLM - a bunch of data and it'll give results in seconds/minutes. Very similar to how sometimes when I run into a stubborn bug, I use a tracer to capture everything that's happening. Before, it'd take me sometimes hours and several scans before I find the issue, and maybe a bit more time to fix it depending on the severity. Now I just throw that full trace at Claude, and so far, 100% of the time it finds and resolves the issue in a few seconds. If the problem/question can be fixed/answered by what's in the given data, I've found Claude to be very good at finding it. And if you haven't given it the data, it's also very good at hypothesizing and telling you where+how to get relevant data so it can prove its hypothesis. Not much different from giving it a bunch of satellite, traffic, etc data of a target and asking it to find areas to prioritize based on movement of particular personnel/equipment, etc.

raffael_de 7mo ago
seems like you're missing the forest (this being a matter of life and death) for the trees (you found some bugs).
- skeledrew 7mo ago
  Not really. The query was re the value-add of AI to a target identification task, which I addressed using a conceptually parallel case that I personally encountered. The AI has no concept of "life and death" or "bugs". It's just generating a response based on the patterns in the data it's been given, and it's training makes that response something the user desires (ideally).

aaron695 7mo ago

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