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Pentagon Refuses to Say If AI Was Used to Bomb Elementary School

23 points by pera 7mo ago

metalman 7mo ago
which makes this a defence of releasing indiscriminate killing machines against anyone anywhere. ambiguity is impossible.
- Nevermark 7mo ago
  They may not have used it but don't want to encourage, enable or be transparent regarding any oversight now or in the future. Which isn’t much better.
jdylanm 7mo ago
How would Claude assist in this task? Anyone have any concrete examples? Nonetheless, I don’t like this…
- hedora 7mo ago
  Probably in the way the US military says it is using Claude: The AI shortlists targets. Someone approves them, and does so at an unprecedented rate.
- deleted 7mo ago
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Legend2440 7mo ago
I'm dubious. There's no real evidence here to suggest that it was. This sounds like a good old-fashioned intel failure, which was common in every previous war in the middle east. Also, so much for 'no new wars'. I'm sure this one will go better than the last five wars we've started in the middle east.
- orbital-decay 7mo ago
  If you automate your intelligence, which they supposedly did, it becomes an automation failure as well. If Claude is grinding through their data, looking for hints and connecting the dots to designate the targets, it's definitely going to produce plausible false positives that are hard to verify quickly.
  - Legend2440 7mo ago
    I'm dubious the degree to which they've actually automated their intel. If it's anything like how my industry has 'adopted' AI, it means they've got a chatbot somewhere that no one actually uses. And a bunch of press releases.
- strosz 7mo ago
  Why do we assume it's intel failure, or ai usage? 1. The school was clearly a school. Damn even OpenStreetMap lists it as a school. 2. The other bombings were very precise. 3. This was a school for the families of military people. US has a history of these types of barbaric terrorism on civilians. There should be full accountability for this targeted terrorism before anything else. Also why are we talking about AI usage like it's some sort of scapegoat, it never is and never in war.
- bravetraveler 7mo ago
  The purpose of a system is what it does.

23 points by pera 7mo ago

which makes this a defence of releasing indiscriminate killing machines against anyone anywhere. ambiguity is impossible.

Nevermark 7mo ago
They may not have used it but don't want to encourage, enable or be transparent regarding any oversight now or in the future. Which isn’t much better.

jdylanm 7mo ago

How would Claude assist in this task? Anyone have any concrete examples? Nonetheless, I don’t like this…

hedora 7mo ago
Probably in the way the US military says it is using Claude: The AI shortlists targets. Someone approves them, and does so at an unprecedented rate.
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Legend2440 7mo ago

I'm dubious. There's no real evidence here to suggest that it was. This sounds like a good old-fashioned intel failure, which was common in every previous war in the middle east. Also, so much for 'no new wars'. I'm sure this one will go better than the last five wars we've started in the middle east.

orbital-decay 7mo ago
If you automate your intelligence, which they supposedly did, it becomes an automation failure as well. If Claude is grinding through their data, looking for hints and connecting the dots to designate the targets, it's definitely going to produce plausible false positives that are hard to verify quickly.
- Legend2440 7mo ago
  I'm dubious the degree to which they've actually automated their intel. If it's anything like how my industry has 'adopted' AI, it means they've got a chatbot somewhere that no one actually uses. And a bunch of press releases.
strosz 7mo ago
Why do we assume it's intel failure, or ai usage? 1. The school was clearly a school. Damn even OpenStreetMap lists it as a school. 2. The other bombings were very precise. 3. This was a school for the families of military people. US has a history of these types of barbaric terrorism on civilians. There should be full accountability for this targeted terrorism before anything else. Also why are we talking about AI usage like it's some sort of scapegoat, it never is and never in war.
bravetraveler 7mo ago
The purpose of a system is what it does.