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Apple isn't in this (the lawsuits) for the money. I'm quite sure they're spending more on the suits than they'd lose to Samsung in the marketplace. It's about

Apple isn't in this (the lawsuits) for the money. I'm quite sure they're spending more on the suits than they'd lose to Samsung in the marketplace. It's about credit and fairness from their point of view. They don't want people riding their coat-tails or cheapening what they've created. I don't know that they're right -- I think their brand is strong enough to shake off Samsung, and they should take a page from the fashion industry, where brand is everything and copying is rampant, but nobody sues. But that's how they see it. Notice they're not suing Microsoft over the Surface? I'd bet there's some patent somewhere that would apply. Maybe there's some sort of understanding going on, but I seriously doubt it. I think it's because the Surface is genuinely different.

reddit_clone 14y ago
It is a proxy war against Android. For reasons I can not fathom, Android scares Apple. And they lash out against it violently. Samsung is collateral damage.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Because iOS is getting features like "Facebook integration" while Android rolls out 360 degree panoramas on a device that outspecs the iPhone 5 and is less than half the price. I'd be worried too.
  - eridius 14y ago
    I am continually amused at how much emphasis people like you put on spec lists. Most people in the world don't care about specs. They care about the actual experience of using the device.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      Okay? Android's experience has been evolving from day one. iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from). "Features" are a major part of the experience and was the more important part of my post. Your desire to focus on specs and attempt to dismiss my entire post goes to show the value of lumping "people like me" together and trying to pretend like the specs don't affect the experience. Here's an experience, day-in-and-day-out hearing about people complain about how crashy apps are in iOS. At least you didn't try to claim that people don't notice a difference between $300 and $650. I'm very happy to talk experience and features. I mean, come on, did you watch the 4.2 announcement video???
      - eridius 14y ago
        Huh? Your entire post was dismissing one of the features iOS introduced in the same breath as you talked about Android "outspec[cing]" iPhone. And yet you're claiming I'm trying to focus on specs, but you're trying to focus on "features", as if that's any different and better. Every time someone has tried to hype an Android phone in a discussion I've been a part of, all they do is throw out a bunch of buzzwords and acronyms made up by companies like Samsung to try and market their phone. They don't even try and explain what these damn things are, much less why I should care about them. It seems the goal is to try and overwhelm me with the quantity of "features", even though, were I to actually buy this phone, I wouldn't even use most of the things they hyped. So please, keep talking about spec lists. Just don't be surprised when not everyone buys into your hype.
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Are you a troll? Because all you did was just repeat yourself, nitpick something I didn't even say and ignore everything else. Go watch the 4.2 announce and note how every feature is about enhancing the experience and adding core features that iOS will probably not seen any, anytime soon. I mocked "Facebook integration" because it is mockable, that's what you're going to argue is "experience enhacning"? Android had it from it's very first release via Intents. Again, I didn't even mention spec lists in that last post, you are really desperate to keep trying to attack me with that, aren't you? (Also, did you watch the iPhone 5 keynote, all it is is specs. Are you paying any attention to iOS and Android or are you just repeating stereotypes from 2 years ago?) >Every time someone has tried to hype an Android phone in a discussion I've been a part of, all they do is throw out a bunch of buzzwords and acronyms made up by companies like Samsung to try and market their phone. They don't even try and explain what these damn things are, much less why I should care about them. Vague. Ambiguous. Completely void of a single example. I can't even think of an acronym in Android that I could use as a feature. Also, what, now you admit that Android has features but you can't be bothered to learn what they are because iOS will never get it? Jesus.
        eridius 14y ago
        Ah, the old accusation of being a troll merely for disagreeing. Thanks for letting me know I can discount anything you say as you are not trying to argue in good faith.
    - eta_carinae 14y ago
      Apple seems to disagree with you since in the past year, all the new products that they have introduced have pretty much been spec upgrades with no innovation (and sometimes, regressions, e.g. maps).
      - taligent 14y ago
        There is actually a lot of innovation in those spec upgrades. The A6 SoC is custom designed and pretty impressive considering it is faster than the competition whilst using less power. And the thinness of the screen (i.e. integration of touch sensors) is definitely innovative. Then again Apple has always been evolutionary.
        Maert 14y ago
        Long time reader here. I created an account just to be able to comment and try to downvote your comment. What an exquisite example of fanboyism! Calling slimmer (but larger!) phone and a faster processor an innovation...
  - taligent 14y ago
    Apple was doing 3D panoramas in 1993. It really isn't that impressive.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      Oh give me a break. Microsoft was doing tablets in 1999. It really isn't that impressive. Hell, that's a better argument because those tablets were actually usable. It's not like Apple had a consumer product at that time that did that. You do realize I'm talking about taking the panoramas, not just displaying them in Quicktime, right?
      - czhiddy 14y ago
        Welcome to 2008? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynth
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Which is again not consumer based hand-held 360 degree panoramas? And jesus, we're talking about the experience of having it a phone. How far do we have to stretch this to try to discount ONE feature added to 4.2? If we want to play this game, I remember my dad finding some trial-ware when I was a kid and we took a few photos and were able to stitch them, I had to have been in middle school. yikes, 8-10 years ago, anyway, my point wasn't that it's the first time a real human being has been able to take two photos and stick them together.
        czhiddy 14y ago
        It's not? Have you even tried the app? I've been stitching together 360 degree panoramas with it since 2009ish.
molmalo 14y ago
They have cross licencing with Microsoft, that's why you won't see them suing the folks at Redmond.

reddit_clone 14y ago

It is a proxy war against Android. For reasons I can not fathom, Android scares Apple. And they lash out against it violently. Samsung is collateral damage.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
Because iOS is getting features like "Facebook integration" while Android rolls out 360 degree panoramas on a device that outspecs the iPhone 5 and is less than half the price. I'd be worried too.
- eridius 14y ago
  I am continually amused at how much emphasis people like you put on spec lists. Most people in the world don't care about specs. They care about the actual experience of using the device.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    Okay? Android's experience has been evolving from day one. iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from). "Features" are a major part of the experience and was the more important part of my post. Your desire to focus on specs and attempt to dismiss my entire post goes to show the value of lumping "people like me" together and trying to pretend like the specs don't affect the experience. Here's an experience, day-in-and-day-out hearing about people complain about how crashy apps are in iOS. At least you didn't try to claim that people don't notice a difference between $300 and $650. I'm very happy to talk experience and features. I mean, come on, did you watch the 4.2 announcement video???
    - eridius 14y ago
      Huh? Your entire post was dismissing one of the features iOS introduced in the same breath as you talked about Android "outspec[cing]" iPhone. And yet you're claiming I'm trying to focus on specs, but you're trying to focus on "features", as if that's any different and better. Every time someone has tried to hype an Android phone in a discussion I've been a part of, all they do is throw out a bunch of buzzwords and acronyms made up by companies like Samsung to try and market their phone. They don't even try and explain what these damn things are, much less why I should care about them. It seems the goal is to try and overwhelm me with the quantity of "features", even though, were I to actually buy this phone, I wouldn't even use most of the things they hyped. So please, keep talking about spec lists. Just don't be surprised when not everyone buys into your hype.
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Are you a troll? Because all you did was just repeat yourself, nitpick something I didn't even say and ignore everything else. Go watch the 4.2 announce and note how every feature is about enhancing the experience and adding core features that iOS will probably not seen any, anytime soon. I mocked "Facebook integration" because it is mockable, that's what you're going to argue is "experience enhacning"? Android had it from it's very first release via Intents. Again, I didn't even mention spec lists in that last post, you are really desperate to keep trying to attack me with that, aren't you? (Also, did you watch the iPhone 5 keynote, all it is is specs. Are you paying any attention to iOS and Android or are you just repeating stereotypes from 2 years ago?) >Every time someone has tried to hype an Android phone in a discussion I've been a part of, all they do is throw out a bunch of buzzwords and acronyms made up by companies like Samsung to try and market their phone. They don't even try and explain what these damn things are, much less why I should care about them. Vague. Ambiguous. Completely void of a single example. I can't even think of an acronym in Android that I could use as a feature. Also, what, now you admit that Android has features but you can't be bothered to learn what they are because iOS will never get it? Jesus.
        eridius 14y ago
        Ah, the old accusation of being a troll merely for disagreeing. Thanks for letting me know I can discount anything you say as you are not trying to argue in good faith.
  - eta_carinae 14y ago
    Apple seems to disagree with you since in the past year, all the new products that they have introduced have pretty much been spec upgrades with no innovation (and sometimes, regressions, e.g. maps).
    - taligent 14y ago
      There is actually a lot of innovation in those spec upgrades. The A6 SoC is custom designed and pretty impressive considering it is faster than the competition whilst using less power. And the thinness of the screen (i.e. integration of touch sensors) is definitely innovative. Then again Apple has always been evolutionary.
      - Maert 14y ago
        Long time reader here. I created an account just to be able to comment and try to downvote your comment. What an exquisite example of fanboyism! Calling slimmer (but larger!) phone and a faster processor an innovation...
- taligent 14y ago
  Apple was doing 3D panoramas in 1993. It really isn't that impressive.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    Oh give me a break. Microsoft was doing tablets in 1999. It really isn't that impressive. Hell, that's a better argument because those tablets were actually usable. It's not like Apple had a consumer product at that time that did that. You do realize I'm talking about taking the panoramas, not just displaying them in Quicktime, right?
    - czhiddy 14y ago
      Welcome to 2008? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynth
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Which is again not consumer based hand-held 360 degree panoramas? And jesus, we're talking about the experience of having it a phone. How far do we have to stretch this to try to discount ONE feature added to 4.2? If we want to play this game, I remember my dad finding some trial-ware when I was a kid and we took a few photos and were able to stitch them, I had to have been in middle school. yikes, 8-10 years ago, anyway, my point wasn't that it's the first time a real human being has been able to take two photos and stick them together.
        czhiddy 14y ago
        It's not? Have you even tried the app? I've been stitching together 360 degree panoramas with it since 2009ish.

molmalo 14y ago

They have cross licencing with Microsoft, that's why you won't see them suing the folks at Redmond.