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> while retaining control of every line What I want when I'm coding, especially on open source side projects, is to retain copyright licensing over every line

> while retaining control of every line What I want when I'm coding, especially on open source side projects, is to retain copyright licensing over every line (cleanly, without lying about anything). Whoops!

jv22222 8mo ago
Hmm. TIL: The real exposure isn't Anthropic, OpenIA claiming your code, it's you unknowingly distributing someone else's GPL code because the model silently reproduced it, with essentially zero recourse for the model owner.
- ad_hockey 8mo ago
  It depends on your plan, but Google[1] and Anthropic[2] at least provide indemnity against this. Haven't checked the others. Still not a situation you want to find yourself in, though. [1] https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/protecting-customers-with-generative-ai-indemnification https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/p... [2] https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanded-legal-protections-api-improvements https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanded-legal-protections-ap...
  - kazinator 8mo ago
    > Under the updated terms, we will defend our customers from any copyright infringement claim made against them for their authorized use of our services or their outputs, and we will pay for any approved settlements or judgments that result "We are going to use our deep billionaire pockets to squash the fucker artist who dares identify something of his that we stole, that made its way into your output ..."
satvikpendem 8mo ago
I wonder why people still believe in intellectual property, it's a concept that has long since lived past its usefulness, especially technologically.
- bitwize 8mo ago
  Because IP democratizes returns on the creative process.
  - satvikpendem 8mo ago
    Maybe it used to but with companies like Disney lengthening copyright times way beyond the original intention, or corporations patenting absurd things, it seems to be more of a way to entrench power than any sort of democratization. I'm glad generative AI seem to be bypassing all this and actually democratizing returns on the creative process, by flagrantly violating the concept of IP.
    - kazinator 8mo ago
      In the case of BSD-like licenses, IP is applied in a way that discourages plagiarism, while giving all the practical freedoms to the users, including making proprietary products. In the case of copyleft licenses like GPL, IP is applied in a way to ensure that users have the code. These things are taken away when the code is laundered through AI.
    - bitwize 8mo ago
      Again, start talking to people outside the field of programming and ask them how they like it when their labor of passion is "democratized" by AI turning it into unattributable slurry.
      - satvikpendem 8mo ago
        I don't really care how they like it because it's not up to them how I use the tools I want to use. It's literally the same argument photographers faced 100 years ago and in another 100 years I guarantee no one will be talking about AI in the terms you are today.
        bitwize 8mo ago
        No one started photographing paintings and declaring them free to use. If they did the lawsuits would leave a huge impact crater. Photography started displacing painting as a form of portraiture, but displacing a technique is not the same thing as appropriating the work itself.

jv22222 8mo ago

Hmm. TIL: The real exposure isn't Anthropic, OpenIA claiming your code, it's you unknowingly distributing someone else's GPL code because the model silently reproduced it, with essentially zero recourse for the model owner.

ad_hockey 8mo ago
It depends on your plan, but Google[1] and Anthropic[2] at least provide indemnity against this. Haven't checked the others. Still not a situation you want to find yourself in, though. [1] https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/protecting-customers-with-generative-ai-indemnification https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/p... [2] https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanded-legal-protections-api-improvements https://www.anthropic.com/news/expanded-legal-protections-ap...
- kazinator 8mo ago
  > Under the updated terms, we will defend our customers from any copyright infringement claim made against them for their authorized use of our services or their outputs, and we will pay for any approved settlements or judgments that result "We are going to use our deep billionaire pockets to squash the fucker artist who dares identify something of his that we stole, that made its way into your output ..."

satvikpendem 8mo ago

I wonder why people still believe in intellectual property, it's a concept that has long since lived past its usefulness, especially technologically.

bitwize 8mo ago
Because IP democratizes returns on the creative process.
- satvikpendem 8mo ago
  Maybe it used to but with companies like Disney lengthening copyright times way beyond the original intention, or corporations patenting absurd things, it seems to be more of a way to entrench power than any sort of democratization. I'm glad generative AI seem to be bypassing all this and actually democratizing returns on the creative process, by flagrantly violating the concept of IP.
  - kazinator 8mo ago
    In the case of BSD-like licenses, IP is applied in a way that discourages plagiarism, while giving all the practical freedoms to the users, including making proprietary products. In the case of copyleft licenses like GPL, IP is applied in a way to ensure that users have the code. These things are taken away when the code is laundered through AI.
  - bitwize 8mo ago
    Again, start talking to people outside the field of programming and ask them how they like it when their labor of passion is "democratized" by AI turning it into unattributable slurry.
    - satvikpendem 8mo ago
      I don't really care how they like it because it's not up to them how I use the tools I want to use. It's literally the same argument photographers faced 100 years ago and in another 100 years I guarantee no one will be talking about AI in the terms you are today.
      - bitwize 8mo ago
        No one started photographing paintings and declaring them free to use. If they did the lawsuits would leave a huge impact crater. Photography started displacing painting as a form of portraiture, but displacing a technique is not the same thing as appropriating the work itself.