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> de-growth Associating action to prevent with 'de-growth' is disinformation from the deniers. Climate change itself is massively de-growth. The question is ho

by mmooss 8mo ago

> de-growth Associating action to prevent with 'de-growth' is disinformation from the deniers. Climate change itself is massively de-growth. The question is how to best prevent it.

ai-x 8mo ago
By your own brilliant logic, since Growth is accelerating everywhere, Climate Change is not happening? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-gdp-over-the-long-run https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-gdp-over-the-long-...
- cbility 8mo ago
  https://images.meme-arsenal.com/c59dc2bac9a54c97d5d1302822aaf025.jpg https://images.meme-arsenal.com/c59dc2bac9a54c97d5d1302822aa...
  - ai-x 8mo ago
    put your money where your mouth is. Any idiot can generate hysteria in 2026. Make your prediction about any HDI metric -- Real GDP, Child Mortality, Life Expectancy, Poverty, Malnutrition (hunger) and give me your prediction for 2030 (or any year < 2035). If your doom prediction doesn't come true, Announce to the world, "I'm pretty much clueless about how the universe works and will stop posting hysteria on Social media"
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    - cbility 8mo ago
      Why 2030? CO2 persists in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. This doesn't end in 2030. The goal is not to generate hysteria; but to avoid it. Hitting one or more tipping points [1] is orders of magnitude more destructive than prioritising phasing out fossil fuels, and impossible to undo. But I do understand that some people have reasons not to care about impacts that have an outsized effect on future generations, so to your request: a recent example of a list of impact predictions is the UK Government joint intelligence committee's national security assessment [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_... [2] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nature-security-assessment-on-global-biodiversity-loss-ecosystem-collapse-and-national-security https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nature-security-a...
- mmooss 8mo ago
  If you respect and consider ideas that conflict with your own, that's how you can learn new things. Many factors influence economics; climate change is one part of the equation. There are many examples of climate change's direct impact so far - floods, fires, sea-level rise (requiring investment in massive public works), droughts, etc. I don't think it's debatable that these things have negative economic impact. Climate change is expected to greatly increase its impact in many ways. Let's not wait until it overcomes all other factors in economic growth and makes our economies shrink.
  - ai-x 8mo ago
    once again show my the data of your choice (related to humans). The planet went through much worse climate change cycles
    - Ma8ee 8mo ago
      Here is how the cost of insurance has changed in recent years: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/05/climate-crisis-insurance-premiums https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/05/climate-... And remember, climate change is not something that happens and then it is done. What we are seeing now is just a start of much worse to come.

by mmooss 8mo ago

> de-growth Associating action to prevent with 'de-growth' is disinformation from the deniers. Climate change itself is massively de-growth. The question is how to best prevent it.

ai-x 8mo ago

By your own brilliant logic, since Growth is accelerating everywhere, Climate Change is not happening? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-gdp-over-the-long-run https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-gdp-over-the-long-...

cbility 8mo ago
https://images.meme-arsenal.com/c59dc2bac9a54c97d5d1302822aaf025.jpg https://images.meme-arsenal.com/c59dc2bac9a54c97d5d1302822aa...
- ai-x 8mo ago
  put your money where your mouth is. Any idiot can generate hysteria in 2026. Make your prediction about any HDI metric -- Real GDP, Child Mortality, Life Expectancy, Poverty, Malnutrition (hunger) and give me your prediction for 2030 (or any year < 2035). If your doom prediction doesn't come true, Announce to the world, "I'm pretty much clueless about how the universe works and will stop posting hysteria on Social media"
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  - cbility 8mo ago
    Why 2030? CO2 persists in the atmosphere for hundreds of years. This doesn't end in 2030. The goal is not to generate hysteria; but to avoid it. Hitting one or more tipping points [1] is orders of magnitude more destructive than prioritising phasing out fossil fuels, and impossible to undo. But I do understand that some people have reasons not to care about impacts that have an outsized effect on future generations, so to your request: a recent example of a list of impact predictions is the UK Government joint intelligence committee's national security assessment [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_... [2] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nature-security-assessment-on-global-biodiversity-loss-ecosystem-collapse-and-national-security https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nature-security-a...
mmooss 8mo ago
If you respect and consider ideas that conflict with your own, that's how you can learn new things. Many factors influence economics; climate change is one part of the equation. There are many examples of climate change's direct impact so far - floods, fires, sea-level rise (requiring investment in massive public works), droughts, etc. I don't think it's debatable that these things have negative economic impact. Climate change is expected to greatly increase its impact in many ways. Let's not wait until it overcomes all other factors in economic growth and makes our economies shrink.
- ai-x 8mo ago
  once again show my the data of your choice (related to humans). The planet went through much worse climate change cycles
  - Ma8ee 8mo ago
    Here is how the cost of insurance has changed in recent years: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/05/climate-crisis-insurance-premiums https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/05/climate-... And remember, climate change is not something that happens and then it is done. What we are seeing now is just a start of much worse to come.