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There isn't enough fossil fuels in the ground for us to burn to cause a 20F+ increase in annual summer temperatures globally...

wewtyflakes 7mo ago
Their argument is not predicated on a 20F+ temp rise globally; their argument is about regions.
- alexk307 7mo ago
  Most of the increase in local temperatures are overnight lows in the Winter. I'm not sure there's any peer-reviewed mechanism to suggest that daytime Summer highs will increase 20F+ due to greenhouse gases in any parts of the world.
  - wewtyflakes 7mo ago
    So your argument that this statement by them: "If you live in a region that usually was 90F in the summer and is now >110F regularly, that’s going to cause problem." is hyperbole, then? Okay, going with that, what temperature range would you find credible, as to describe a region that is seeing wilder swings in summer highs?
    - alexk307 7mo ago
      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/summer-temperature-anomalies https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/summer-temperature-anomal... Somewhere on the order of 1-2C if you start from the 1850s.
      - _aavaa_ 7mo ago
        I'm not talking about global, look at individual countries: - Andora (5C/9F) - Montenegro (5C/9F) - Japan (4C/7F) - Italy (4C/7F) - Spain (3C/5.4F) Even with current rates I think we'll easily hit a 20F increase in several regions.
        alexk307 7mo ago
        Pretty sure global warming is referencing the global affects, not regional ones. You can't make a global argument based on local temperature increases just like you can't make an argument that global warming is causing cooler summers based on the numerous regions that have experienced cooling in the same reference period. Also these are average temperatures increases, not summer high temperature increases.
        wewtyflakes 7mo ago
        Globally, the weather of regions is changing.
      - wewtyflakes 7mo ago
        Your own source affirms the other person's point, not yours; switch to the table view and sort by absolute change.
        alexk307 7mo ago
        It really doesn't - my source shows average summer temperatures (Th - Tl / 2). This does not say that those regions are experiencing high temperatures that are that much warmer, but that on average (including overnight lows) they are warmer.
        wewtyflakes 7mo ago
        How does this disprove the other person's point? Is there a hair being split in a way that is material to the spirit of the argument?

wewtyflakes 7mo ago

Their argument is not predicated on a 20F+ temp rise globally; their argument is about regions.

alexk307 7mo ago
Most of the increase in local temperatures are overnight lows in the Winter. I'm not sure there's any peer-reviewed mechanism to suggest that daytime Summer highs will increase 20F+ due to greenhouse gases in any parts of the world.
- wewtyflakes 7mo ago
  So your argument that this statement by them: "If you live in a region that usually was 90F in the summer and is now >110F regularly, that’s going to cause problem." is hyperbole, then? Okay, going with that, what temperature range would you find credible, as to describe a region that is seeing wilder swings in summer highs?
  - alexk307 7mo ago
    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/summer-temperature-anomalies https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/summer-temperature-anomal... Somewhere on the order of 1-2C if you start from the 1850s.
    - _aavaa_ 7mo ago
      I'm not talking about global, look at individual countries: - Andora (5C/9F) - Montenegro (5C/9F) - Japan (4C/7F) - Italy (4C/7F) - Spain (3C/5.4F) Even with current rates I think we'll easily hit a 20F increase in several regions.
      - alexk307 7mo ago
        Pretty sure global warming is referencing the global affects, not regional ones. You can't make a global argument based on local temperature increases just like you can't make an argument that global warming is causing cooler summers based on the numerous regions that have experienced cooling in the same reference period. Also these are average temperatures increases, not summer high temperature increases.
        wewtyflakes 7mo ago
        Globally, the weather of regions is changing.
    - wewtyflakes 7mo ago
      Your own source affirms the other person's point, not yours; switch to the table view and sort by absolute change.
      - alexk307 7mo ago
        It really doesn't - my source shows average summer temperatures (Th - Tl / 2). This does not say that those regions are experiencing high temperatures that are that much warmer, but that on average (including overnight lows) they are warmer.
        wewtyflakes 7mo ago
        How does this disprove the other person's point? Is there a hair being split in a way that is material to the spirit of the argument?