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> It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake It does matter if people go around saying that “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.

by kgwgk 8mo ago

> It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake It does matter if people go around saying that “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.”

surgical_fire 8mo ago
> “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.” It's still the most probable explanation
- SauntSolaire 8mo ago
  Disagree, negligence seems more likely
  - surgical_fire 8mo ago
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-conflict-is-not-iraq-and-is-not-endless https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-... "No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said. Words of your Secretary of War, not mine. This is not a woke war. This is a war where you bomb schools and kill children.
    - ryandrake 8mo ago
      The ridiculous renaming to "Department of War" supports this attitude, as well. They're declaring to everyone our intent to be belligerents. That the US military is meant to be aggressors and instigators, rather than defenders. All signs point to an administration bent on aggression and destruction. I mean, to be fair, the US always has been the instigators, but it's now official, something this administration is proud of.
    - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
      And? It's quite a leap to take from that statement that they intentionally bombed a school. In fact, if they were trying to bomb schools, then it's quite the coincidence that they missed all the rest, and just happened to hit the one that used to be a military base.
      - donkeybeer 8mo ago
        They made it as clear as possible they don't give a shit about collateral damage. You have some very immense reading difficulties.
        SauntSolaire 8mo ago
        Surgical_fire wrote: "Hitting a school was not a mistake, it was the point." And "This is not a woke war. This is a war where you bomb schools and kill children." I also never said they especially cared about collateral damage, try not to project your opinions onto other people's comments.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        Aka they don't care about innocent deaths, they want to cause deaths.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        And schools, hospitals, aid workers, etc have of course been "khamas" and "irgc" to these two invaders so that's hardly surprising.
xrd 8mo ago
I'm not sure how "they want war, so they are bombing negligently" is any different. Or morally better.
- Sabinus 8mo ago
  It's not, but that's not what the USA wants. They want Iran to stop destabilising the ME, and to eliminate the threat to the USA consisting of the Iranian nuke program, the ballistic missile program, and the religious zeal to use them. What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'? If this war goes on for too long Trump is cooked. He'll lose the election and might even be unpopular enough to cop the persecution he deserves.
  - mullingitover 8mo ago
    > What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'? The "Department of War" they created before promptly starting an absolute textbook War of Aggression is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the war was premeditated.
  - surgical_fire 8mo ago
    > stop destabilising the ME USA is the destabilizing force. In the case of Iran specifically, what happenes today is in many ways a consequence of the 1953 coup.
  - etc-hosts 8mo ago
    > They want Iran to stop destabilising the ME, and to eliminate the threat to the USA consisting of the Iranian nuke program, the ballistic missile program, and the religious zeal to use them. US and Israeli leaders have said recently that the war will continue until Iran is not a threat, for mostly the exact reasons you just listed. I'm not sure how you bomb the religious zeal out of someone. I was listening to a fairly right wing British pundit today, who is very publicly funded by British and European NATO interests, he said that the US saying they will continue to bomb Iran until it is not a threat reminded him a lot of one of Russia's state Ukraine war goals of "we will de-Nazify Ukraine". very open ended nebulous goals with the benefit of being easily stretched around any agenda the invading party has at the moment.

by kgwgk 8mo ago

> It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake It does matter if people go around saying that “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.”

surgical_fire 8mo ago

> “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.” It's still the most probable explanation

SauntSolaire 8mo ago
Disagree, negligence seems more likely
- surgical_fire 8mo ago
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-conflict-is-not-iraq-and-is-not-endless https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-... "No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said. Words of your Secretary of War, not mine. This is not a woke war. This is a war where you bomb schools and kill children.
  - ryandrake 8mo ago
    The ridiculous renaming to "Department of War" supports this attitude, as well. They're declaring to everyone our intent to be belligerents. That the US military is meant to be aggressors and instigators, rather than defenders. All signs point to an administration bent on aggression and destruction. I mean, to be fair, the US always has been the instigators, but it's now official, something this administration is proud of.
  - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
    And? It's quite a leap to take from that statement that they intentionally bombed a school. In fact, if they were trying to bomb schools, then it's quite the coincidence that they missed all the rest, and just happened to hit the one that used to be a military base.
    - donkeybeer 8mo ago
      They made it as clear as possible they don't give a shit about collateral damage. You have some very immense reading difficulties.
      - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
        Surgical_fire wrote: "Hitting a school was not a mistake, it was the point." And "This is not a woke war. This is a war where you bomb schools and kill children." I also never said they especially cared about collateral damage, try not to project your opinions onto other people's comments.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        Aka they don't care about innocent deaths, they want to cause deaths.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
        And schools, hospitals, aid workers, etc have of course been "khamas" and "irgc" to these two invaders so that's hardly surprising.

xrd 8mo ago

I'm not sure how "they want war, so they are bombing negligently" is any different. Or morally better.

Sabinus 8mo ago
It's not, but that's not what the USA wants. They want Iran to stop destabilising the ME, and to eliminate the threat to the USA consisting of the Iranian nuke program, the ballistic missile program, and the religious zeal to use them. What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'? If this war goes on for too long Trump is cooked. He'll lose the election and might even be unpopular enough to cop the persecution he deserves.
- mullingitover 8mo ago
  > What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'? The "Department of War" they created before promptly starting an absolute textbook War of Aggression is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the war was premeditated.
- surgical_fire 8mo ago
  > stop destabilising the ME USA is the destabilizing force. In the case of Iran specifically, what happenes today is in many ways a consequence of the 1953 coup.
- etc-hosts 8mo ago
  > They want Iran to stop destabilising the ME, and to eliminate the threat to the USA consisting of the Iranian nuke program, the ballistic missile program, and the religious zeal to use them. US and Israeli leaders have said recently that the war will continue until Iran is not a threat, for mostly the exact reasons you just listed. I'm not sure how you bomb the religious zeal out of someone. I was listening to a fairly right wing British pundit today, who is very publicly funded by British and European NATO interests, he said that the US saying they will continue to bomb Iran until it is not a threat reminded him a lot of one of Russia's state Ukraine war goals of "we will de-Nazify Ukraine". very open ended nebulous goals with the benefit of being easily stretched around any agenda the invading party has at the moment.