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Sounds too convoluted, and implies that those in power in the countries attacking Iran have a grand plan that goes beyond killing people in Iran. The explanati

Sounds too convoluted, and implies that those in power in the countries attacking Iran have a grand plan that goes beyond killing people in Iran. The explanation is simpler. They want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately Hitting a school was not a mistake, it was the point.

killjoywashere 8mo ago
Yeah, Hanlon's Razor applies.
_alternator_ 8mo ago
I think a tragic mistake like this was foreseeable (in a vague sense), but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children. The NYT had some good reporting on this, and you can see how the mistake was made. The elementary school used to be part of the IRGC base until 2016. Then it was fenced off and made an elementary school. The “shooter” (in this case, the USA) had a duty to check that the target was currently a valid military target. This verification, if it was done at all, was clearly the problem. I’m sure you have someone directly responsible for this mistake who is going to have a hard time living with themselves. But like I said, starting a war leads to inevitable tragedy, and I doubt the people who are indirectly responsible will ever recognize their culpability in this.
- ryandrake 8mo ago
  It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake or how the mistake was made. If it were your kid's elementary school that got blown up, would you say "Oh, well, it wasn't intentional. The bad guys just had outdated intelligence. These things happen."
  - kgwgk 8mo ago
    > It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake It does matter if people go around saying that “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.”
    - surgical_fire 8mo ago
      > “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.” It's still the most probable explanation
      - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
        Disagree, negligence seems more likely
        surgical_fire 8mo ago
        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-conflict-is-not-iraq-and-is-not-endless https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-... "No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said. Words of your Secretary of War, not mine. This is not a woke war. This is a war where you bomb schools and kill children.
        ryandrake 8mo ago
        The ridiculous renaming to "Department of War" supports this attitude, as well. They're declaring to everyone our intent to be belligerents. That the US military is meant to be aggressors and instigators, rather than defenders. All signs point to an administration bent on aggression and destruction. I mean, to be fair, the US always has been the instigators, but it's now official, something this administration is proud of.
        SauntSolaire 8mo ago
        And? It's quite a leap to take from that statement that they intentionally bombed a school. In fact, if they were trying to bomb schools, then it's quite the coincidence that they missed all the rest, and just happened to hit the one that used to be a military base.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
  - colonCapitalDee 8mo ago
    You're intentionally missing the point. Every time a bomb drops we're rolling the dice. Hits on civilian targets are inevitable, just like bugs are inevitable. The only solution is not to go to war at all. Don't blame the person who dropped the bomb, blame the people who ordered the bombs to be dropped.
- surgical_fire 8mo ago
  No, I firmly believe that decades of dehumanization of Iranians in particular and Muslims in general makes this sort of "tragic mistake" desirable. I don't think whoever was responsible for this gives many fucks about the lives of Iranians. If a foreign power bombed anything in the US and children died people would just consider them monsters, without further considerations. No one would be pondering about faulty intel. I refuse to launder the vileness of the aggressors here.
- mrguyorama 8mo ago
  >but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children Hegseth said to your face "No stupid rules of engagement", "This is not a politically correct war" These are the people who have been purposely and loudly defending Israel bombing innocent people. They genuinely believe, as they say to your face, that it is important and necessary to be brutal and extreme to win war. Intentionally disregarding rules of engagement and protecting innocent life IS intentionally bombing that school. Civilian casualties are a reality of war and the best you can do is work your ass off to reduce them, so openly advocating for NOT doing that is intentionally killing people.
  - _alternator_ 8mo ago
    Trust me, I’m not trying to defend the leadership of the DoW. But I do believe that there is a difference between reckless indifference and actually intentionally bombing a girls school. Both sound like war crimes to me, but the latter sounds implausible given the known facts. Let’s not redefine words like ‘intentional’ just because we are appalled. Giving something awful an “awfuller” name is not going to help.
Sabinus 8mo ago
This is real life not cartoon villany. The US administration is not a kind one, but their goals are not just 'death for people in Iran'.
- donkeybeer 8mo ago
  Why else would they start an unprovoked war while pretending to negotiate peace with Iran? They want death of Iranians.
  - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
    For the same reason they deposed Maduro, control, obviously. Your mistake is thinking they care about Iranians enough to want them dead. The reality is that they want Iran to bend the knee, at which point they'll go back to not thinking about them at all.

killjoywashere 8mo ago

Yeah, Hanlon's Razor applies.

_alternator_ 8mo ago

I think a tragic mistake like this was foreseeable (in a vague sense), but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children. The NYT had some good reporting on this, and you can see how the mistake was made. The elementary school used to be part of the IRGC base until 2016. Then it was fenced off and made an elementary school. The “shooter” (in this case, the USA) had a duty to check that the target was currently a valid military target. This verification, if it was done at all, was clearly the problem. I’m sure you have someone directly responsible for this mistake who is going to have a hard time living with themselves. But like I said, starting a war leads to inevitable tragedy, and I doubt the people who are indirectly responsible will ever recognize their culpability in this.

ryandrake 8mo ago
It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake or how the mistake was made. If it were your kid's elementary school that got blown up, would you say "Oh, well, it wasn't intentional. The bad guys just had outdated intelligence. These things happen."
- kgwgk 8mo ago
  > It really doesn't matter whether it was a mistake It does matter if people go around saying that “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.”
  - surgical_fire 8mo ago
    > “they want death, so they are bombing shit indiscriminately.” It's still the most probable explanation
    - SauntSolaire 8mo ago
      Disagree, negligence seems more likely
      - surgical_fire 8mo ago
        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-conflict-is-not-iraq-and-is-not-endless https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/hegseth-insists-the-iran-... "No stupid rules of engagement, no nation building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives," Hegseth said. Words of your Secretary of War, not mine. This is not a woke war. This is a war where you bomb schools and kill children.
        ryandrake 8mo ago
        The ridiculous renaming to "Department of War" supports this attitude, as well. They're declaring to everyone our intent to be belligerents. That the US military is meant to be aggressors and instigators, rather than defenders. All signs point to an administration bent on aggression and destruction. I mean, to be fair, the US always has been the instigators, but it's now official, something this administration is proud of.
        SauntSolaire 8mo ago
        And? It's quite a leap to take from that statement that they intentionally bombed a school. In fact, if they were trying to bomb schools, then it's quite the coincidence that they missed all the rest, and just happened to hit the one that used to be a military base.
        donkeybeer 8mo ago
- colonCapitalDee 8mo ago
  You're intentionally missing the point. Every time a bomb drops we're rolling the dice. Hits on civilian targets are inevitable, just like bugs are inevitable. The only solution is not to go to war at all. Don't blame the person who dropped the bomb, blame the people who ordered the bombs to be dropped.
surgical_fire 8mo ago
No, I firmly believe that decades of dehumanization of Iranians in particular and Muslims in general makes this sort of "tragic mistake" desirable. I don't think whoever was responsible for this gives many fucks about the lives of Iranians. If a foreign power bombed anything in the US and children died people would just consider them monsters, without further considerations. No one would be pondering about faulty intel. I refuse to launder the vileness of the aggressors here.
mrguyorama 8mo ago
>but I highly doubt that anyone intentionally bombed an elementary school full of children Hegseth said to your face "No stupid rules of engagement", "This is not a politically correct war" These are the people who have been purposely and loudly defending Israel bombing innocent people. They genuinely believe, as they say to your face, that it is important and necessary to be brutal and extreme to win war. Intentionally disregarding rules of engagement and protecting innocent life IS intentionally bombing that school. Civilian casualties are a reality of war and the best you can do is work your ass off to reduce them, so openly advocating for NOT doing that is intentionally killing people.
- _alternator_ 8mo ago
  Trust me, I’m not trying to defend the leadership of the DoW. But I do believe that there is a difference between reckless indifference and actually intentionally bombing a girls school. Both sound like war crimes to me, but the latter sounds implausible given the known facts. Let’s not redefine words like ‘intentional’ just because we are appalled. Giving something awful an “awfuller” name is not going to help.

Sabinus 8mo ago

This is real life not cartoon villany. The US administration is not a kind one, but their goals are not just 'death for people in Iran'.

donkeybeer 8mo ago
Why else would they start an unprovoked war while pretending to negotiate peace with Iran? They want death of Iranians.
- SauntSolaire 8mo ago
  For the same reason they deposed Maduro, control, obviously. Your mistake is thinking they care about Iranians enough to want them dead. The reality is that they want Iran to bend the knee, at which point they'll go back to not thinking about them at all.