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And yet the minimum extension of artic ice ever recorded was in 2014. I think there are more effects to account for when extrapolating measured temperatures, m
by PowerElectronix 7mo ago
And yet the minimum extension of artic ice ever recorded was in 2014.
I think there are more effects to account for when extrapolating measured temperatures, mostly made on the ground with cataclismic effects. After all, all the carbon being emitted nowadays was in the biosphere back in the days. Why couldn't it return back to it without the earth becoming inhabitable?
- _aavaa_ 7mo agoThe argument isn’t that the whole earth becomes inhospitable. But that certain regions do, and the rest will have their climate differ drastically. If you live on the coast and the water level rises, your home is inhospitable, even if someone 100mi inland is fine. If you live in a region that usually was 90F in the summer and is now >110F regularly, that’s going to cause problem.
- alexk307 7mo agoThere isn't enough fossil fuels in the ground for us to burn to cause a 20F+ increase in annual summer temperatures globally...
- wewtyflakes 7mo agoTheir argument is not predicated on a 20F+ temp rise globally; their argument is about regions.
- alexk307 7mo agoMost of the increase in local temperatures are overnight lows in the Winter. I'm not sure there's any peer-reviewed mechanism to suggest that daytime Summer highs will increase 20F+ due to greenhouse gases in any parts of the world.
- wewtyflakes 7mo agoSo your argument that this statement by them: "If you live in a region that usually was 90F in the summer and is now >110F regularly, that’s going to cause problem." is hyperbole, then? Okay, going with that, what temperature range would you find credible, as to describe a region that is seeing wilder swings in summer highs?
- alexk307 7mo agohttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/summer-temperature-anomalies https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/summer-temperature-anomal... Somewhere on the order of 1-2C if you start from the 1850s.
- _aavaa_ 7mo agoI'm not talking about global, look at individual countries: - Andora (5C/9F) - Montenegro (5C/9F) - Japan (4C/7F) - Italy (4C/7F) - Spain (3C/5.4F) Even with current rates I think we'll easily hit a 20F increase in several regions.
- alexk307 7mo agoPretty sure global warming is referencing the global affects, not regional ones. You can't make a global argument based on local temperature increases just like you can't make an argument that global warming is causing cooler summers based on the numerous regions that have experienced cooling in the same reference period. Also these are average temperatures increases, not summer high temperature increases.
- wewtyflakes 7mo agoGlobally, the weather of regions is changing.
- wewtyflakes 7mo agoYour own source affirms the other person's point, not yours; switch to the table view and sort by absolute change.