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Are you a climate change doesn't matter guy or a china is the climate change causer guy? You can't do both at once.

bko 7mo ago
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the focus people have on developed countries is just signaling. A weird anti-west sentiment from people who almost exclusively live a wealthy life in the west. I'm not an expert, but from what I have read I believe humans do have an effect on climate. However this doesn't mean that any draconian measure that would essentially impose one world government and population control (which is the inevitable outcome of all of this) is preferable. But more importantly I'm anti stupid measures like restricting air-conditioning because they make a negligible impact and literally kill 100k+ people a year.
- lukeschlather 7mo ago
  China has roughly .4 AC units per person while the USA has roughly 1 AC unit per person. You are simultaneously arguing everyone should have an AC, and that China should stop expanding their usage of AC. I'd argue everyone should have an AC if they need one (probably China needs more than they have.) But we shouldn't build any more fossil fuel extraction, people who need AC should figure out how to do it with batteries and renewable energy. (Nuclear is fine, if it makes sense economically.) We don't need population control, we just need to add sufficiently large taxes on things we want less of. AC isn't a thing we want less of, it's carbon emissions.
- squibonpig 7mo ago
  >I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the focus people have on developed countries is just signaling. It's not. Many/most people who live in developed countries live lifestyles which use outsized amounts of resources and put lots of carbon into the atmosphere. They're also well-positioned to use their wealth to stop doing that. >A weird anti-west sentiment from people who almost exclusively live a wealthy life in the west. Not exactly from people who live a wealthy life in the west. More educated people in general are more likely to understand the complicated issue of climate change. Wealth and education have a close relationship. >I'm not an expert, but from what I have read I believe humans do have an effect on climate. However this doesn't mean that any draconian measure that would essentially impose one world government and population control (which is the inevitable outcome of all of this) is preferable. If multiple nations collaborating is your definition of one world government then okay, but no it wouldn't lead to that lol. What? >But more importantly I'm anti stupid measures like restricting air-conditioning because they make a negligible impact and literally kill 100k+ people a year. I sorta agree that that's the wrong approach. The issue here is generally large industrial producers and corporations who produce most of the carbon. That said, they are responding to demand from consumers, so attacking demand is a valid way to approach the problem.
triceratops 7mo ago
To deniers both arguments are valid - just use whichever one is more convincing to the person you're talking to. The objective is continue using fossil fuels no matter what.
- t0bia_s 7mo ago
  To alarmists both arguments are valid - just use whichever one is more convincing to the person you're talking to. The objective is stop using fossil fuels no matter what. Im not sure what is this type of debate good for.
  - triceratops 7mo ago
    What "both" arguments are so-called alarmists using? What's an alarmist, exactly? And yes, the objective is to stop using fossil fuels. That's not exactly a secret agenda, it's the whole fucking point.
    - t0bia_s 7mo ago
      What is denier, exactly? Seriously, there is no debate with this rethoric.
      - triceratops 7mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial You didn't answer either of my questions. Even though I asked first.
        t0bia_s 7mo ago
        You missing the point, again.
        triceratops 7mo ago
        Do you have a point? Please communicate better. I may well be speaking to a bot.

bko 7mo ago

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the focus people have on developed countries is just signaling. A weird anti-west sentiment from people who almost exclusively live a wealthy life in the west. I'm not an expert, but from what I have read I believe humans do have an effect on climate. However this doesn't mean that any draconian measure that would essentially impose one world government and population control (which is the inevitable outcome of all of this) is preferable. But more importantly I'm anti stupid measures like restricting air-conditioning because they make a negligible impact and literally kill 100k+ people a year.

lukeschlather 7mo ago
China has roughly .4 AC units per person while the USA has roughly 1 AC unit per person. You are simultaneously arguing everyone should have an AC, and that China should stop expanding their usage of AC. I'd argue everyone should have an AC if they need one (probably China needs more than they have.) But we shouldn't build any more fossil fuel extraction, people who need AC should figure out how to do it with batteries and renewable energy. (Nuclear is fine, if it makes sense economically.) We don't need population control, we just need to add sufficiently large taxes on things we want less of. AC isn't a thing we want less of, it's carbon emissions.
squibonpig 7mo ago
>I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the focus people have on developed countries is just signaling. It's not. Many/most people who live in developed countries live lifestyles which use outsized amounts of resources and put lots of carbon into the atmosphere. They're also well-positioned to use their wealth to stop doing that. >A weird anti-west sentiment from people who almost exclusively live a wealthy life in the west. Not exactly from people who live a wealthy life in the west. More educated people in general are more likely to understand the complicated issue of climate change. Wealth and education have a close relationship. >I'm not an expert, but from what I have read I believe humans do have an effect on climate. However this doesn't mean that any draconian measure that would essentially impose one world government and population control (which is the inevitable outcome of all of this) is preferable. If multiple nations collaborating is your definition of one world government then okay, but no it wouldn't lead to that lol. What? >But more importantly I'm anti stupid measures like restricting air-conditioning because they make a negligible impact and literally kill 100k+ people a year. I sorta agree that that's the wrong approach. The issue here is generally large industrial producers and corporations who produce most of the carbon. That said, they are responding to demand from consumers, so attacking demand is a valid way to approach the problem.

triceratops 7mo ago

To deniers both arguments are valid - just use whichever one is more convincing to the person you're talking to. The objective is continue using fossil fuels no matter what.

t0bia_s 7mo ago
To alarmists both arguments are valid - just use whichever one is more convincing to the person you're talking to. The objective is stop using fossil fuels no matter what. Im not sure what is this type of debate good for.
- triceratops 7mo ago
  What "both" arguments are so-called alarmists using? What's an alarmist, exactly? And yes, the objective is to stop using fossil fuels. That's not exactly a secret agenda, it's the whole fucking point.
  - t0bia_s 7mo ago
    What is denier, exactly? Seriously, there is no debate with this rethoric.
    - triceratops 7mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial You didn't answer either of my questions. Even though I asked first.
      - t0bia_s 7mo ago
        You missing the point, again.
        triceratops 7mo ago
        Do you have a point? Please communicate better. I may well be speaking to a bot.