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ICE agents shooting US citizens, the mass shootings, the school shootings, the crime rate and fentanyl 'bend' posture that makes loads of poor people look like

by s_dev 7mo ago

ICE agents shooting US citizens, the mass shootings, the school shootings, the crime rate and fentanyl 'bend' posture that makes loads of poor people look like zombies, the aggressive police with guns who sometimes shoot people, burglaries that involve shootings. A lot of the problems in America seems to stem from guns and drugs but also policy. Even something as simple as crossing the road is unnecessarily complicated in America. Some roads you seem to need a car to get from A to B. It just doesn't seem peaceful but very chaotic and intense.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
This sounds like someone who is on social media too much. The counterpart is an American in Paris convinced the banlieu are war zones. The actual problems: we’ve made it impossible and insulting to get a tourist visa. And we’ve made pissing on our tourism partners our foreign policy.
- blurbleblurble 7mo ago
  Your head's in the sand. Where I live we have bounty hunters kidnapping people into unmarked vans. For six months or more now. Would visitors likely be safe? Sure, but not necessarily and I can't blame people for being cautious and there's so much unpredictability around it, even for those of us who are familiar.
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > I can't blame people for being cautious and there's so much unpredictability around it I can. Again, this is like refusing to visit CDMX because you heard about gang violence or avoiding Sicily because there is crime. Those singular events aren’t false. But they don’t make up the majority of the context. Someone refusing to travel because of these low-probability events (note: because of fear of them, not out of protest, which is separate) is almost certainly behaving irrationally.
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > I can't blame people for being cautious and there's so much unpredictability around it I can. Again, this is like refusing to visit CDMX because you heard about gang violence or avoiding Sicily because there is crime. Those singular events aren’t false. But they don’t make up the majority of the context. Someone refusing to travel because of these low-probability events (note: because of fear of them, not out of protest, which is separate) is almost certainly behaving irrationally. Where your argument might have purchase is in America having previously been a good tourism destination for someone with such anxieties. But the truth of the matter is folks like that don’t tend to travel in the first place.
    - blurbleblurble 7mo ago
      It really isn't like that though. On top of the rogue paramilitaries with arrest quotas for getting their menial bonuses, there are multiple cases now where _tourists_ have been detained for weeks or more, even those with valid visas, arbitrarily. Multiple governments are cautioning people around travel to the US, and people from many countries are being outright banned from entering. Look at this map: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12631 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12631. Travel is already stressful enough without a rogue xenophobic force at the helm. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/21/karen-newton-valid-visa-detained-ice https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/21/karen-newton... https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-travel-detentions-1.7489525 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-travel-detentions-1.7489525
      - smartbit 7mo ago
        Guardian article https://archive.ph/lDwTA https://archive.ph/lDwTA
    - BeetleB 7mo ago
      > But they don’t make up the majority of the context. Someone refusing to travel because of these low-probability events (note: because of fear of them, not out of protest, which is separate) is almost certainly behaving irrationally. Statistically speaking, it's very safe for a white American to go to Dubai/Doha these days. Would you fault them for not going?
- s_dev 7mo ago
  >The counterpart is an American in Paris convinced the banlieu are war zones. This isn't a counterpart because nobody is trying to explain a significant drop in tourism numbers to Paris.
  - _Tev 7mo ago
    > This isn't a counterpart because nobody is trying to explain a significant drop in tourism numbers to Paris. Actually there isn't much to explain. Every single person I know that has been to Paris has been disappointed by it and complained how there are way too many people everywhere. Maybe there were just too many tourists in Paris?
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sgustard 7mo ago
I have been to Rome and Taipei and Johannesburg, and crossing the road is terrifying lots of places.

by s_dev 7mo ago

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

This sounds like someone who is on social media too much. The counterpart is an American in Paris convinced the banlieu are war zones. The actual problems: we’ve made it impossible and insulting to get a tourist visa. And we’ve made pissing on our tourism partners our foreign policy.

blurbleblurble 7mo ago
Your head's in the sand. Where I live we have bounty hunters kidnapping people into unmarked vans. For six months or more now. Would visitors likely be safe? Sure, but not necessarily and I can't blame people for being cautious and there's so much unpredictability around it, even for those of us who are familiar.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > I can't blame people for being cautious and there's so much unpredictability around it I can. Again, this is like refusing to visit CDMX because you heard about gang violence or avoiding Sicily because there is crime. Those singular events aren’t false. But they don’t make up the majority of the context. Someone refusing to travel because of these low-probability events (note: because of fear of them, not out of protest, which is separate) is almost certainly behaving irrationally.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > I can't blame people for being cautious and there's so much unpredictability around it I can. Again, this is like refusing to visit CDMX because you heard about gang violence or avoiding Sicily because there is crime. Those singular events aren’t false. But they don’t make up the majority of the context. Someone refusing to travel because of these low-probability events (note: because of fear of them, not out of protest, which is separate) is almost certainly behaving irrationally. Where your argument might have purchase is in America having previously been a good tourism destination for someone with such anxieties. But the truth of the matter is folks like that don’t tend to travel in the first place.
  - blurbleblurble 7mo ago
    It really isn't like that though. On top of the rogue paramilitaries with arrest quotas for getting their menial bonuses, there are multiple cases now where _tourists_ have been detained for weeks or more, even those with valid visas, arbitrarily. Multiple governments are cautioning people around travel to the US, and people from many countries are being outright banned from entering. Look at this map: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12631 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12631. Travel is already stressful enough without a rogue xenophobic force at the helm. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/21/karen-newton-valid-visa-detained-ice https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/21/karen-newton... https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-travel-detentions-1.7489525 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-travel-detentions-1.7489525
    - smartbit 7mo ago
      Guardian article https://archive.ph/lDwTA https://archive.ph/lDwTA
  - BeetleB 7mo ago
    > But they don’t make up the majority of the context. Someone refusing to travel because of these low-probability events (note: because of fear of them, not out of protest, which is separate) is almost certainly behaving irrationally. Statistically speaking, it's very safe for a white American to go to Dubai/Doha these days. Would you fault them for not going?
s_dev 7mo ago
>The counterpart is an American in Paris convinced the banlieu are war zones. This isn't a counterpart because nobody is trying to explain a significant drop in tourism numbers to Paris.
- _Tev 7mo ago
  > This isn't a counterpart because nobody is trying to explain a significant drop in tourism numbers to Paris. Actually there isn't much to explain. Every single person I know that has been to Paris has been disappointed by it and complained how there are way too many people everywhere. Maybe there were just too many tourists in Paris?

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sgustard 7mo ago

I have been to Rome and Taipei and Johannesburg, and crossing the road is terrifying lots of places.