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This is actually why Trump won’t do them, by the way. He’s already changed his rhetoric to “criminals only”. Trump is completely captured by business interests

by zjsisba 7mo ago

This is actually why Trump won’t do them, by the way. He’s already changed his rhetoric to “criminals only”. Trump is completely captured by business interests and is not America First. Mass immigration is the billionaire first position. Younger generations understand this, so we likely won’t see some change for a bit, but it is coming. And it makes sense - they’re the ones suffering most from unfettered immigration. Their birthright is being handed out to cheap labor, because the billionaires running our society see us as cattle.

spencerflem 7mo ago
You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist
- newfriend 7mo ago
  Immigrant isn't a race.
  - epistasis 7mo ago
    Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. The accusation of blatant racism, come from police chiefs, from judges, as well as everybody experiencing the mass deportation. And the accusation of racism isn't that immigrants are a race, but the exact racial discrimination in who gets kidnapped and disappeared by masked men that are indistinguishable from criminals.
    - newfriend 7mo ago
      >Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. Care to share your stats? This sounds like more of "I don't like this president, therefore what he's doing is wrong"
      - deleted 7mo ago
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      - epistasis 7mo ago
        I have what I stated in my comment. You are free to dismiss the experiences of whoever you want, of course, including Trump-friendly police chiefs, by dismissing them as "they must not like Trump and therefore lie." But that is quite a biased way to experience the world. Especially when Trump's own words about which immigrants he wants to get rid of. It's bias in service of a "fairness" that even the benefactor doesn't ask for. So why we exhibit such extreme bias in which evidence is admissable?
        newfriend 7mo ago
        So nothing. Just anecdotes. At least you admit it.
        epistasis 7mo ago
        Admit what? Trump is open about the racial nature of deportations, and witnesses say the same. If you want to bring stats into it, the baseline is to try to disprove what everyone already knows. Assuming something is false just because it makes Trump look bad, in your eyes, is a very biased take on the world. Just listen to his own words, he's not ashamed of the racial nature of the deportations, it doesn't "make him look bad" because its a feature not a bug.
        newfriend 7mo ago
        [flagged]
  - justin66 7mo ago
    Just going to leave this here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop
- seneca 7mo ago
  > You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist Genuinely, if you can't handle discussing a basic political disagreement without becoming apoplectic, you should take a breath and wait to respond. This is the opposite of what HN is for.
  - kbelder 7mo ago
    You've been downvoted for being reasonable (I gave you an upvote). The histrionics in these threads are way over the top, and it's sad to see.
    - spencerflem 7mo ago
      I apologize for not wording things as pleasantly as the guy who wants people thrown in camps.
dboreham 7mo ago
It was always "criminals only", but the problem is they have quotas for the number of immigrants to deport, and can't (at all) get to those quotas by just deporting criminals.
- epistasis 7mo ago
  Well the clear implication is that the class of "criminal" has been expanded. It used to be that you had to be convicted of a crime by a jury to be a criminal, now it's just anybody that Trump dislikes. Execution without investigation has been normalized and accepted, and that's exactly the intent. Trump fears the people, but if it were slightly more popular there would be even more people hired by ICE and we would be seeing the consitutional abuses that happen today in Minnesota in far more places across the country.
- seneca 7mo ago
  > It was always "criminals only" This is absolutely false. It was always mass deportation of all illegal immigrants. The "worst of the worst" rhetoric is new. Here's a source, but there are many: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agenda-including-mass-deportations-in-tv-interview https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agen... > Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Trump reiterated his intention to deport every person who had entered the US without authorisation.
gzread 7mo ago
Which birthright?

by zjsisba 7mo ago

spencerflem 7mo ago

You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist

newfriend 7mo ago
Immigrant isn't a race.
- epistasis 7mo ago
  Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. The accusation of blatant racism, come from police chiefs, from judges, as well as everybody experiencing the mass deportation. And the accusation of racism isn't that immigrants are a race, but the exact racial discrimination in who gets kidnapped and disappeared by masked men that are indistinguishable from criminals.
  - newfriend 7mo ago
    >Mass deportations are being conducted mostly on the basis of race. Care to share your stats? This sounds like more of "I don't like this president, therefore what he's doing is wrong"
    - deleted 7mo ago
      [deleted]
    - epistasis 7mo ago
      I have what I stated in my comment. You are free to dismiss the experiences of whoever you want, of course, including Trump-friendly police chiefs, by dismissing them as "they must not like Trump and therefore lie." But that is quite a biased way to experience the world. Especially when Trump's own words about which immigrants he wants to get rid of. It's bias in service of a "fairness" that even the benefactor doesn't ask for. So why we exhibit such extreme bias in which evidence is admissable?
      - newfriend 7mo ago
        So nothing. Just anecdotes. At least you admit it.
        epistasis 7mo ago
        Admit what? Trump is open about the racial nature of deportations, and witnesses say the same. If you want to bring stats into it, the baseline is to try to disprove what everyone already knows. Assuming something is false just because it makes Trump look bad, in your eyes, is a very biased take on the world. Just listen to his own words, he's not ashamed of the racial nature of the deportations, it doesn't "make him look bad" because its a feature not a bug.
        newfriend 7mo ago
        [flagged]
- justin66 7mo ago
  Just going to leave this here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop
seneca 7mo ago
> You can be anti billionaire and still not be a fuckass racist Genuinely, if you can't handle discussing a basic political disagreement without becoming apoplectic, you should take a breath and wait to respond. This is the opposite of what HN is for.
- kbelder 7mo ago
  You've been downvoted for being reasonable (I gave you an upvote). The histrionics in these threads are way over the top, and it's sad to see.
  - spencerflem 7mo ago
    I apologize for not wording things as pleasantly as the guy who wants people thrown in camps.

dboreham 7mo ago

It was always "criminals only", but the problem is they have quotas for the number of immigrants to deport, and can't (at all) get to those quotas by just deporting criminals.

epistasis 7mo ago
Well the clear implication is that the class of "criminal" has been expanded. It used to be that you had to be convicted of a crime by a jury to be a criminal, now it's just anybody that Trump dislikes. Execution without investigation has been normalized and accepted, and that's exactly the intent. Trump fears the people, but if it were slightly more popular there would be even more people hired by ICE and we would be seeing the consitutional abuses that happen today in Minnesota in far more places across the country.
seneca 7mo ago
> It was always "criminals only" This is absolutely false. It was always mass deportation of all illegal immigrants. The "worst of the worst" rhetoric is new. Here's a source, but there are many: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agenda-including-mass-deportations-in-tv-interview https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/trump-lays-out-agen... > Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Trump reiterated his intention to deport every person who had entered the US without authorisation.

gzread 7mo ago

Which birthright?