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“ Most of the attraction of living there historically was its extremely business-friendly environment.” How old are you? What propaganda told you this? In my g

by HEmanZ 7mo ago

“ Most of the attraction of living there historically was its extremely business-friendly environment.” How old are you? What propaganda told you this? In my generation (young millennial/genz) the attraction of living in Seattle, which pulled me and almost a dozen professional friends at this point has been: - high quality urban living in a temperate environment. Including access to great parks, waterfront, bikeability in the city - access to great outdoors and regional amenities like skiing, ocean fishing, hiking, wine country - liberal policies and general friendly society (it’s friendlier here than the east coast) - no state income tax (we’re all very high tax bracket) - a high enough income population that you can find a plethora of high-end products and services that cluster around high income earners (only a few us cities have this stronger than Seattle I feel)

01100011 7mo ago
Oregon ticks most of those boxes except the difference is that Oregon has very few jobs. People flock to WA because of jobs created by long-standing business friendly policies. That doesn't explain everything, obviously, but I think you need to take it into consideration. For decades I've heard this in some form from people: "Oregon is amazing, but I had to leave when I couldn't get a job." Meanwhile the Sea-Tac region has had amazing growth, packed wall-to-wall with a range of companies.
- HEmanZ 7mo ago
  I agree, difference between explosive growth and “consistent draw” is large employers setting up in the region. Another interesting anecdote is that I know many people who work remote for companies all over the world who moved to the Seattle area once they had a remote job. I am one of these people who moved once I got a remote job. Im not sure what kind of impact this has long run. I think the flywheel drawing high skill people to Seattle is still very strong.
- BeetleB 7mo ago
  Oregon is on the other end of the continuum when it comes to income taxes ;-) If you're not too high an income earner, the Oregon income tax is worse than California's. And no, Washington's sales tax doesn't come close to the Oregon income tax.
- rendang 7mo ago
  Weather is worse in the Portland area, can be a good few degrees warmer than Seattle in the summer
keldonjohnson 7mo ago
For my demographic (Early genz), there are only 3 reasons to be here: A. Their job is only available here B. No state income tax (C?). They REALLY love skiing/hiking People have always regularly left for NYC/Bay Area, but I predict it will start to happen in droves over the next few years as A rapidly fades and legislation begins to threaten B.

by HEmanZ 7mo ago

01100011 7mo ago

Oregon ticks most of those boxes except the difference is that Oregon has very few jobs. People flock to WA because of jobs created by long-standing business friendly policies. That doesn't explain everything, obviously, but I think you need to take it into consideration. For decades I've heard this in some form from people: "Oregon is amazing, but I had to leave when I couldn't get a job." Meanwhile the Sea-Tac region has had amazing growth, packed wall-to-wall with a range of companies.

HEmanZ 7mo ago
I agree, difference between explosive growth and “consistent draw” is large employers setting up in the region. Another interesting anecdote is that I know many people who work remote for companies all over the world who moved to the Seattle area once they had a remote job. I am one of these people who moved once I got a remote job. Im not sure what kind of impact this has long run. I think the flywheel drawing high skill people to Seattle is still very strong.
BeetleB 7mo ago
Oregon is on the other end of the continuum when it comes to income taxes ;-) If you're not too high an income earner, the Oregon income tax is worse than California's. And no, Washington's sales tax doesn't come close to the Oregon income tax.
rendang 7mo ago
Weather is worse in the Portland area, can be a good few degrees warmer than Seattle in the summer

keldonjohnson 7mo ago

For my demographic (Early genz), there are only 3 reasons to be here: A. Their job is only available here B. No state income tax (C?). They REALLY love skiing/hiking People have always regularly left for NYC/Bay Area, but I predict it will start to happen in droves over the next few years as A rapidly fades and legislation begins to threaten B.