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I was going to post this! TL;DR the link: Coins are only legal tender up to a certain amount. For example 21p in 1p's is not classed as legal tender. (Is it o

I was going to post this! TL;DR the link: Coins are only legal tender up to a certain amount. For example 21p in 1p's is not classed as legal tender. (Is it only me who can only say "legal tender" in a scottish accent > "I think you'll find that's...")

AmarettoAndCode 14y ago
>(Is it only me who can only say "legal tender" in a scottish accent > "I think you'll find that's...") Lets thank the comical Michael McIntyre for that!
Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
I recently paid for £21 worth of groceries in 20p pieces (change jar needed emptying). Lock me up and throw away the key. (Fortunately it was a self-checkout so no witnesses).
- derleth 14y ago
  "Legal tender" only means they're compelled by law to accept the payment to discharge a debt. Anyone can decide to accept anything as payment. Also, paying for your groceries in that way (self-checkout) isn't discharging a debt as no debt was incurred: You could have decided not to pay and put the groceries back, after all.
- RobAley 14y ago
  Legal Tender only means what you have to accept in settlement of a debt. You can choose to accept small denomination coins in any volume, or anything else for that matter. But if you have agreed a transaction with someone, or otherwise have a debt to that person, a court will consider the payment made if you pay (or try to pay) with legal tender.
- bitcartel 14y ago
  Would love to see the source code for this situation, where payment is disrupted due to the change jar needing to emptied. I bet the programmers put in some amusing comments.
  - rehack 14y ago
    Is there a way this scenario can be coded in any other way than: --- while(moneyGotSoFar < targetMoneyToget) { // code to interface with hardware device which // is taking in money // NOTE: moneyGotInThisBurst would be told by the // hardware device software ... // some time out code. And exception handling if // no cash entered moneyGotSoFar += moneyGotInThisBurst; } --- So point is, the developers may not think upfront of these kind of cases. And this case can be a boundary condition test case - May potentially test any array overflows. Or some looping done the wrong way. Or out of memory if it has been coded in Java(Oops. Sorry :-))
- chimeracoder 14y ago
  That's not a debt - that's a point-of-sale. They're allowed to accept or refuse any form of payment there (at least under US law - UK is probably similar). The reason for the laws surrounding debt is to prevent creditors from purposefully holding debtors in debt by refusing to accept their payments ('Oh, sorry, you HAVE to pay me in this form, so I'll refuse your payment and instead charge you an extra day of interest, etc.)

AmarettoAndCode 14y ago

>(Is it only me who can only say "legal tender" in a scottish accent > "I think you'll find that's...") Lets thank the comical Michael McIntyre for that!

Tyrannosaurs 14y ago

I recently paid for £21 worth of groceries in 20p pieces (change jar needed emptying). Lock me up and throw away the key. (Fortunately it was a self-checkout so no witnesses).

derleth 14y ago
"Legal tender" only means they're compelled by law to accept the payment to discharge a debt. Anyone can decide to accept anything as payment. Also, paying for your groceries in that way (self-checkout) isn't discharging a debt as no debt was incurred: You could have decided not to pay and put the groceries back, after all.
RobAley 14y ago
Legal Tender only means what you have to accept in settlement of a debt. You can choose to accept small denomination coins in any volume, or anything else for that matter. But if you have agreed a transaction with someone, or otherwise have a debt to that person, a court will consider the payment made if you pay (or try to pay) with legal tender.
bitcartel 14y ago
Would love to see the source code for this situation, where payment is disrupted due to the change jar needing to emptied. I bet the programmers put in some amusing comments.
- rehack 14y ago
  Is there a way this scenario can be coded in any other way than: --- while(moneyGotSoFar < targetMoneyToget) { // code to interface with hardware device which // is taking in money // NOTE: moneyGotInThisBurst would be told by the // hardware device software ... // some time out code. And exception handling if // no cash entered moneyGotSoFar += moneyGotInThisBurst; } --- So point is, the developers may not think upfront of these kind of cases. And this case can be a boundary condition test case - May potentially test any array overflows. Or some looping done the wrong way. Or out of memory if it has been coded in Java(Oops. Sorry :-))
chimeracoder 14y ago
That's not a debt - that's a point-of-sale. They're allowed to accept or refuse any form of payment there (at least under US law - UK is probably similar). The reason for the laws surrounding debt is to prevent creditors from purposefully holding debtors in debt by refusing to accept their payments ('Oh, sorry, you HAVE to pay me in this form, so I'll refuse your payment and instead charge you an extra day of interest, etc.)