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I love tiny teams. I hate big corp. Big corporations are full with people who love to entertain 20+ people in video calls. 1-2 people speak, the other nod thei

by baxtr 7mo ago

I love tiny teams. I hate big corp. Big corporations are full with people who love to entertain 20+ people in video calls. 1-2 people speak, the other nod their heads while browsing Amazon. I wouldn’t be sad if those jobs vanished.

ffsm8 7mo ago
Well, you should be terrified of those jobs vanishing I think. All of these people will consequently be on the job market competing for your opportunities. Yes you may feel superior to their capabilities - and may even be justified in your opinion (I know nothing about you beyond this comment)... But it'll still significantly impact your professional future if this actually happens. It would massively impact wages at the very least Your viewpoint is incredibly short-sighted and not actually realizing the broad effect on the industry as a whole such a change would bring.
- baxtr 7mo ago
  Maybe I’m naive but I’m not terrified about the future at all. Every efficiency wave made life better for humans. Why should this one be different? Assume many people lose their jobs. This in turn means companies will have higher margins. Higher margins attract more competition. More competition means lower margins since some will use the lower costs to offer lower prices. Lower prices increase quality of life for everyone. People who lost their job might be able to pick up doing something they actually enjoy…
  - SkyeCA 7mo ago
    > People who lost their job might be able to pick up doing something they actually enjoy… It's more probable they lose everything before ending up with a worse job that pays less.
  - heavyset_go 7mo ago
    Throughout history, what were once middle class and artisan professions were increasingly automated and tons of people and their families ended up in poverty until they died. We just gloss over them and villify the ones who tried to do anything about it (the ones that weren't executed also died in poverty).
    - baxtr 7mo ago
      You need to be careful with these things. Such exaggerated narratives are the reason people are afraid. during the Industrial Revolution many artisan and skilled trades lost their livelihoods. And yet, while many people did suffer serious short-term hardship and wage collapse, most did not simply remain in lifelong poverty, because over time industrialization created new types of employment and average wages eventually rose. You don’t want to go back to before the Industrial Revolution. Do you?
      - izacus 7mo ago
        [flagged]
        tomhow 7mo ago
        > Because your ignorance is painful. It's not acceptable to attack a fellow community member like this on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're aiming for better than this: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        izacus 7mo ago
        Being kind to people who blatantly lie about history and hide suffering of thousands is how we got into the current mess.
        tomhow 7mo ago
        We don't need a defiant mini-sermon and it's very poor conduct to use the term "blatantly lie" for a fellow community member who is just expressing their understanding of a topic. It is never morally necessary to abuse people on this site. This is a community not a battleground. If you have a different understanding of the topic, share it, so all can benefit. That's what people do when they are sincere about contributing positively here. If instead you insist on continuing to use abusive terms towards others here, we'll have to ban the account.
  - jlarocco 7mo ago
    > People who lost their job might be able to pick up doing something they actually enjoy… That's so out of touch. First, you're conveniently ignoring the possibility that people actually like the job they are about to lose. And believe it or not most people aren't toiling away at jobs they hate because it never occurred to them to do something they like more. They work jobs they dislike because it's the only choice they have because they have to pay their bills so they can survive and so that their dependents can have an acceptable life.

by baxtr 7mo ago

ffsm8 7mo ago

Well, you should be terrified of those jobs vanishing I think. All of these people will consequently be on the job market competing for your opportunities. Yes you may feel superior to their capabilities - and may even be justified in your opinion (I know nothing about you beyond this comment)... But it'll still significantly impact your professional future if this actually happens. It would massively impact wages at the very least Your viewpoint is incredibly short-sighted and not actually realizing the broad effect on the industry as a whole such a change would bring.

baxtr 7mo ago
Maybe I’m naive but I’m not terrified about the future at all. Every efficiency wave made life better for humans. Why should this one be different? Assume many people lose their jobs. This in turn means companies will have higher margins. Higher margins attract more competition. More competition means lower margins since some will use the lower costs to offer lower prices. Lower prices increase quality of life for everyone. People who lost their job might be able to pick up doing something they actually enjoy…
- SkyeCA 7mo ago
  > People who lost their job might be able to pick up doing something they actually enjoy… It's more probable they lose everything before ending up with a worse job that pays less.
- heavyset_go 7mo ago
  Throughout history, what were once middle class and artisan professions were increasingly automated and tons of people and their families ended up in poverty until they died. We just gloss over them and villify the ones who tried to do anything about it (the ones that weren't executed also died in poverty).
  - baxtr 7mo ago
    You need to be careful with these things. Such exaggerated narratives are the reason people are afraid. during the Industrial Revolution many artisan and skilled trades lost their livelihoods. And yet, while many people did suffer serious short-term hardship and wage collapse, most did not simply remain in lifelong poverty, because over time industrialization created new types of employment and average wages eventually rose. You don’t want to go back to before the Industrial Revolution. Do you?
    - izacus 7mo ago
      [flagged]
      - tomhow 7mo ago
        > Because your ignorance is painful. It's not acceptable to attack a fellow community member like this on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're aiming for better than this: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        izacus 7mo ago
        Being kind to people who blatantly lie about history and hide suffering of thousands is how we got into the current mess.
        tomhow 7mo ago
        We don't need a defiant mini-sermon and it's very poor conduct to use the term "blatantly lie" for a fellow community member who is just expressing their understanding of a topic. It is never morally necessary to abuse people on this site. This is a community not a battleground. If you have a different understanding of the topic, share it, so all can benefit. That's what people do when they are sincere about contributing positively here. If instead you insist on continuing to use abusive terms towards others here, we'll have to ban the account.
- jlarocco 7mo ago
  > People who lost their job might be able to pick up doing something they actually enjoy… That's so out of touch. First, you're conveniently ignoring the possibility that people actually like the job they are about to lose. And believe it or not most people aren't toiling away at jobs they hate because it never occurred to them to do something they like more. They work jobs they dislike because it's the only choice they have because they have to pay their bills so they can survive and so that their dependents can have an acceptable life.