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> afraid to recognize Taiwan's independence No one is afraid. Taiwan themselves still claim to be the Republic of China and not separate from the rest of Chin

> afraid to recognize Taiwan's independence No one is afraid. Taiwan themselves still claim to be the Republic of China and not separate from the rest of China.

godelski 8mo ago
> No one is afraid. You seem to have trouble reading. Here's a map that shows countries that recognize Taiwan's independence[0]. That's a lot of gray... > Taiwan themselves still claim to be the Republic of China and not separate from the rest of China. You seem very confused... but I get it, it is confusing Mainland China's current government is called the "People's Republic of China" (PRC)[1] Taiwan calls itself the "Republic of China" (RoC)[2] The difference of one word is very important. It's easy to miss, which is why Taiwan even changed its passport[3]... over a decade ago. But also... they issue different passports. They have different governments. Really, this is not hard to understand that Taiwan considers themselves independent and the PRC considers the RoC a bunch of rebels. And... what do rebels typically do? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_T... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_People%27s... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan [3] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1758230.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1758230.stm
- DiogenesKynikos 8mo ago
  The Taiwanese government still officially considers itself the government of all of China, not just of Taiwan and a few outlying islands.
  - komali2 8mo ago
    This is false. You will finally google this claim you've been repeating without evidence, and realize there's no supporting evidence for this claim. I guarantee it, because there is no evidence for this claim.
    - DiogenesKynikos 8mo ago
      The Republic of China has not amended its constitution to eliminate its claim to all of China. You may be referring to the views of the current ruling party on what Taiwan should be, but constitutionally, it still claims everything.
      - komali2 8mo ago
        Please directly quote where in the taiwanese constitution there is a claim to the territory of the PRC. I tend to read the constitutions and legal documents of countries I live in. I have read the constitution many times. It's not in there.
        DiogenesKynikos 8mo ago
        Article 4. It's actually near the top. You probably missed it because you have to know the history of the constitution to know what Article 4 means. This is the text: "The territory of the Republic of China within its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by a resolution of the National Assembly." The key phrase is "existing boundaries." The constitution was passed in 1947, when the "existing boundaries" of the ROC were very clear: all of China, plus Mongolia. The constitution says that those boundaries may only be changed by an act of the legislature. There has never been such an act.
        komali2 8mo ago
        > The key phrase is "existing boundaries." The constitution was passed in 1947, when the "existing boundaries" of the ROC were very clear: all of China, plus Mongolia. Nope, they were never formally defined, not even in legislation. This flexibility was explicitly acknowledged in the constitutional reforms, when a clear delineation was made between "territory the ROC controls, and mainland territory (which the ROC does not claim)". The constitutional court also addressed the question directly: https://cons.judicial.gov.tw/en/docdata.aspx?fid=100&id=310509 https://cons.judicial.gov.tw/en/docdata.aspx?fid=100&id=3105... TLDR "the constitution does not define the actual territory." Thus, the constitution does not represent the ROC claiming PRC territory. Lacking any other Taiwanese claim to the territory (legislation, etc), it's therefore a fact that Taiwan makes no claims whatsoever to PRC territory.

> afraid to recognize Taiwan's independence No one is afraid. Taiwan themselves still claim to be the Republic of China and not separate from the rest of China.

godelski 8mo ago

> No one is afraid. You seem to have trouble reading. Here's a map that shows countries that recognize Taiwan's independence[0]. That's a lot of gray... > Taiwan themselves still claim to be the Republic of China and not separate from the rest of China. You seem very confused... but I get it, it is confusing Mainland China's current government is called the "People's Republic of China" (PRC)[1] Taiwan calls itself the "Republic of China" (RoC)[2] The difference of one word is very important. It's easy to miss, which is why Taiwan even changed its passport[3]... over a decade ago. But also... they issue different passports. They have different governments. Really, this is not hard to understand that Taiwan considers themselves independent and the PRC considers the RoC a bunch of rebels. And... what do rebels typically do? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_T... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_People%27s... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan [3] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1758230.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1758230.stm

DiogenesKynikos 8mo ago
The Taiwanese government still officially considers itself the government of all of China, not just of Taiwan and a few outlying islands.
- komali2 8mo ago
  This is false. You will finally google this claim you've been repeating without evidence, and realize there's no supporting evidence for this claim. I guarantee it, because there is no evidence for this claim.
  - DiogenesKynikos 8mo ago
    The Republic of China has not amended its constitution to eliminate its claim to all of China. You may be referring to the views of the current ruling party on what Taiwan should be, but constitutionally, it still claims everything.
    - komali2 8mo ago
      Please directly quote where in the taiwanese constitution there is a claim to the territory of the PRC. I tend to read the constitutions and legal documents of countries I live in. I have read the constitution many times. It's not in there.
      - DiogenesKynikos 8mo ago
        Article 4. It's actually near the top. You probably missed it because you have to know the history of the constitution to know what Article 4 means. This is the text: "The territory of the Republic of China within its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by a resolution of the National Assembly." The key phrase is "existing boundaries." The constitution was passed in 1947, when the "existing boundaries" of the ROC were very clear: all of China, plus Mongolia. The constitution says that those boundaries may only be changed by an act of the legislature. There has never been such an act.
        komali2 8mo ago
        > The key phrase is "existing boundaries." The constitution was passed in 1947, when the "existing boundaries" of the ROC were very clear: all of China, plus Mongolia. Nope, they were never formally defined, not even in legislation. This flexibility was explicitly acknowledged in the constitutional reforms, when a clear delineation was made between "territory the ROC controls, and mainland territory (which the ROC does not claim)". The constitutional court also addressed the question directly: https://cons.judicial.gov.tw/en/docdata.aspx?fid=100&id=310509 https://cons.judicial.gov.tw/en/docdata.aspx?fid=100&id=3105... TLDR "the constitution does not define the actual territory." Thus, the constitution does not represent the ROC claiming PRC territory. Lacking any other Taiwanese claim to the territory (legislation, etc), it's therefore a fact that Taiwan makes no claims whatsoever to PRC territory.