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You can do a lot with just $20 Codex CLI subscription. Tokens are cheap compared to the $20k we're paying for a dev each month.
by aurareturn 8mo ago
You can do a lot with just $20 Codex CLI subscription. Tokens are cheap compared to the $20k we're paying for a dev each month.
- baq 8mo agoExactly, the $20 codex is so good value it’s irresponsible to not give it to everyone. Claude code $20 is otoh pointless, the limits are good enough for 10 mins of work twice per business day.
- ido 8mo agoEven the $200 claude max monthly subscription is peanuts compared to salary cost.
- monksy 8mo agoTell that to the company that I was just at that cut Intelij licenses as cost cutting measures.
- aurareturn 8mo agoIf they really want to cut cost, fire the worst dev on the team and use that money to give everyone a Codex subscription.
- KronisLV 8mo agoOr better yet, fire the managers or bean counters that think decreasing everyone’s productivity is good for long term savings. I’m reminded of https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel-test-12-steps-to-better-code/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/08/09/the-joel-test-12-s...
- mikkupikku 8mo agoFire the middle management, HR, and etc that have been enthusiastically using AI to do their jobs for the past two or three years already. 90% of them can be replaced by an agent with access to an email account.
- thewebguyd 8mo agoTbh, if companies want to use AI to lay off and cut costs, that's exactly where they should be doing it, not engineering. How much bloat and bureaucracy bottleneck is sitting in middle management whose favorite past time is wasting everyone's time on meetings that could have been an email? HR? Not the execs, but the HR drones that do nothing but answer employee questions about policy, could have already been replaced with not even an AI, just an old school chatbot, a long time ago. Instead of cutting engineers, cut the non-tech jobs, flatten the structure.
- monksy 8mo agoOh they laid people off so they could outsource more to India. Despite the managers reminding them, the cost is 1/3 the cost but 3x slower. American devs were 5x more productive overall.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoAmazes me that people pay 20k a month for a dev rather than paying 2k a month for one in Poland or 1k a month for one from India There’s obviously a benefit of paying higher rates for US programmers, but does that benefit change when llms are thrown into the mix
- forgotlastlogin 8mo ago2k in Poland you say...
- apercu 8mo agoMy experience with outsourcing over 20+ years (Russia, Romania, India, South America) is that you just move money around when you do it. It takes more planning, more specification, more coordination, more QA. The quality is almost always worse, and remediation takes forever. So your BA, QA and PM time goes way up and absorbs any cost savings. YMMV.
- thewebguyd 8mo agoSounds like an LLM, tbh. Using Claude also takes more planning, more explicit specification, prompting, more manual review, more QA.
- aurareturn 8mo agoMakes no sense because LLMs makes it far less worth it to outsource developers.