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I wonder what's the status of LaTeX 3[1][2]. Also, it would be nice to have an automation in the style of Tectonic[3][4] (which looks like a dead project itself
by xvilka 7mo ago
I wonder what's the status of LaTeX 3[1][2]. Also, it would be nice to have an automation in the style of Tectonic[3][4] (which looks like a dead project itself) out of the box.
[1] https://www.latex-project.org/latex3/ https://www.latex-project.org/latex3/
[2] https://github.com/latex3/latex3 https://github.com/latex3/latex3
[3] http://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/ http://tectonic-typesetting.github.io/
[4] https://github.com/tectonic-typesetting/tectonic/ https://github.com/tectonic-typesetting/tectonic/
- alxhslm 7mo agoSeems like an admirable project but they’re building on creaky foundations. Even the way TexLive is released feels like something from academia than a real piece of software.
- noosphr 7mo agoYes, unlike real software it has backward compatibility to the 80s.
- mr_mitm 7mo agoThings break all the damn time with LaTeX. Example: https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/730126/update-to-cleveref-firstaid-adds-space-after-tcolorbox-documentation-commands/730127 https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/730126/update-to-cle... Sometimes bugs appear only if you load three specific packages in a specific order. The fact that there are no namespaces and every package can modify everything makes it a complete nightmare. LaTeX would do well to take a hint from the lessons we learned in the past 40 years. Or just retire it and push something sane forward, like Typst.
- noosphr 7mo agoLatex is not Tex.
- mr_mitm 7mo agoNeither is texlive. Texlive and LaTeX is what this thread and the comment you replied to are about.
- noosphr 7mo agoTypst is a replacement for TeX. Not LaTeX. You'd of course need to read the documentation on what TeX and LaTeX are to understand this. Most people would rather write a new system.
- mr_mitm 7mo agoI don't know why you think the condescending tone is appropriate. I've been using LaTeX for twenty years and I believe I understand the difference. I also respectfully disagree on your assessment of Typst.
- noosphr 7mo agoHave you written documents in raw TeX?
- leephillips 7mo agoI’ve written book-length documents in Plain TeX (probably what you mean — nobody writes in “raw” tex) and in LaTeX. I would say that Typst, if it’s a replacement for anything, is a replacement for LuaLaTeX, because of its programmability. But in this article I framed it as a possible LaTeX replacement: https://lwn.net/Articles/1037577/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1037577/
- gucci-on-fleek 7mo agoI work on the packaging in TeX Live, and I'll freely admit that it's arcane and convoluted (from a packager's perspective), but it's super reliable, and the end-users are mostly insulated from all the inner workings. It can indeed be tricky to debug if something breaks, but this is thankfully quite rare.
- gucci-on-fleek 7mo ago> I wonder what's the status of LaTeX 3 It's either already here or never happening, depending on your perspective [0] [1]. > it would be nice to have an automation in the style of Tectonic What do you mean by "automation"? [0]: https://www.texdev.net/2024/11/11/the-mythical-latex3 https://www.texdev.net/2024/11/11/the-mythical-latex3 [1]: https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb44-1/tb136mitt-history.pdf#page=5 https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb44-1/tb136mitt-history.pdf#page=5
- maxnoe 7mo agoEver tried latexmk for the automation?