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"Someone else" colonizing a place or culture doesn't negate the effect of further European colonization, nor does it justify it. Africa, Asia and the Middle Ea

by krapp 8mo ago

"Someone else" colonizing a place or culture doesn't negate the effect of further European colonization, nor does it justify it. Africa, Asia and the Middle East were very obviously colonized by Europeans. The phrase "the sun never sets on the British empire" exists for a reason. Many national borders still exist because of the British Empire. Western civilization rests on a foundation of a thousand years of Christian conquest, rape, slavery and the plunder of far more land and peoples than any Islamic power ever accomplished. Being particularly precious or indignant about that is just childish. It is what it is.

spwa4 8mo ago
Slavery? You want to talk slavery? > Western civilization rests on a foundation of a thousand years of Christian conquest, rape, slavery Which is not special. So does everything from the Hindu kingdoms, to Chinese piracy, and especially muslim civilization(s). I've actually visited Zanzibar and Australia, seen the worst of "Christian" slavery, and normal islamic slavery (and let's just ignore that the worst slavery happened in the parts of Christian civilization that were trying hard to get rid of Christianity, whereas in the "core" of Christianity slavery was eliminated by 800AD, in fact as I'll point out below, that Christianity did this is a major reason for the creation of islam in the first place). No part of Christian civilization was remotely as bad as islamic slavery. Not even what happened in the Roman Empire with "judicial" slaves if you know what that is. Not even close. They are quite simply not comparable. EVEN Ancient Romans paid slaves that they raped ... a muslim "country" set up slave-rape houses in 2023 (ISIS/islamic state). Nearly all of the women they did that to never got anything, and most are now dead (they massacred them on their way out, like the Nazis). One such girl was bought by and abused in a muslim family and recovered and freed during Israel's war on Gaza. She was 12 when muslims locked her up in a brothel to be constantly raped, and the reason they gave for doing that? The prophet said allah allows them to do that, she was STILL not an adult when she was rescued. Do you know that islamic holy texts (the hadith) actually contain discussions where early muslims complain that "even in the provinces" (they mean ... of the Eastern Roman Empire) it is becoming hard to buy a slave girl to rape due to Christian missionaries? Along with MANY discussions on using slaves for sex, even including advice on ... let's say, on how to have fun with that. You know one such way to have fun? "Thighing". Let me give you one piece of advice: DO NOT look up what that particular muslim practice is, and why it "is advised" (because kids die from bleeding out if you ...). It is a level of depravity that even serial-killer rapists never sunk to. Defending islam with colonization and slavery in Christanity is utter lunacy, because for every badly treated slave in Christianity there's 100 in islamic empires. Slaves were treated better (not good, I don't claim that, but far, far better) in Christianity. Sorry but let's put it plainly: when it comes to slavery and inequality, islam really is just the worst of the worst (certainly if you demand a certain size). And yes, I get it, the US has a history with slavery that you're ashamed of. It's a big part of how the US state formed, and Washington sees eliminating slavery as a big part of the reason they get to exist, and they're ashamed of their part in it, I get it. But that doesn't change reality: every other part of the world, EXCEPT western Europe ever since Christianity came to power, also has a history of slavery, and they basically lie about it. The middle east is not ashamed of slavery, even the US allies, they're trying to bring it back. Just read about how they organized the olympics. And of course there's the fact that the only reason muslims stopped slavery is because Western Europe and America forced them to, at the point of a gun. If Christians carry guilt for what happened, muslims carry 100x that guilt, and everyone else does too, in various amounts (and generally a lot less than muslims). Christian civilization is not the only one that eliminated slavery, but it is not at all a common thing. So no, it's not all the same. Christianity has spend millennia eliminating slavery. Christinaity MADE muslims give up slavery, and only under threat of Christian killing of entire muslim states did they give in. Islam has spent it's entire existence, right from the beginning up to today, fighting to bring it back.

by krapp 8mo ago

spwa4 8mo ago

Slavery? You want to talk slavery? > Western civilization rests on a foundation of a thousand years of Christian conquest, rape, slavery Which is not special. So does everything from the Hindu kingdoms, to Chinese piracy, and especially muslim civilization(s). I've actually visited Zanzibar and Australia, seen the worst of "Christian" slavery, and normal islamic slavery (and let's just ignore that the worst slavery happened in the parts of Christian civilization that were trying hard to get rid of Christianity, whereas in the "core" of Christianity slavery was eliminated by 800AD, in fact as I'll point out below, that Christianity did this is a major reason for the creation of islam in the first place). No part of Christian civilization was remotely as bad as islamic slavery. Not even what happened in the Roman Empire with "judicial" slaves if you know what that is. Not even close. They are quite simply not comparable. EVEN Ancient Romans paid slaves that they raped ... a muslim "country" set up slave-rape houses in 2023 (ISIS/islamic state). Nearly all of the women they did that to never got anything, and most are now dead (they massacred them on their way out, like the Nazis). One such girl was bought by and abused in a muslim family and recovered and freed during Israel's war on Gaza. She was 12 when muslims locked her up in a brothel to be constantly raped, and the reason they gave for doing that? The prophet said allah allows them to do that, she was STILL not an adult when she was rescued. Do you know that islamic holy texts (the hadith) actually contain discussions where early muslims complain that "even in the provinces" (they mean ... of the Eastern Roman Empire) it is becoming hard to buy a slave girl to rape due to Christian missionaries? Along with MANY discussions on using slaves for sex, even including advice on ... let's say, on how to have fun with that. You know one such way to have fun? "Thighing". Let me give you one piece of advice: DO NOT look up what that particular muslim practice is, and why it "is advised" (because kids die from bleeding out if you ...). It is a level of depravity that even serial-killer rapists never sunk to. Defending islam with colonization and slavery in Christanity is utter lunacy, because for every badly treated slave in Christianity there's 100 in islamic empires. Slaves were treated better (not good, I don't claim that, but far, far better) in Christianity. Sorry but let's put it plainly: when it comes to slavery and inequality, islam really is just the worst of the worst (certainly if you demand a certain size). And yes, I get it, the US has a history with slavery that you're ashamed of. It's a big part of how the US state formed, and Washington sees eliminating slavery as a big part of the reason they get to exist, and they're ashamed of their part in it, I get it. But that doesn't change reality: every other part of the world, EXCEPT western Europe ever since Christianity came to power, also has a history of slavery, and they basically lie about it. The middle east is not ashamed of slavery, even the US allies, they're trying to bring it back. Just read about how they organized the olympics. And of course there's the fact that the only reason muslims stopped slavery is because Western Europe and America forced them to, at the point of a gun. If Christians carry guilt for what happened, muslims carry 100x that guilt, and everyone else does too, in various amounts (and generally a lot less than muslims). Christian civilization is not the only one that eliminated slavery, but it is not at all a common thing. So no, it's not all the same. Christianity has spend millennia eliminating slavery. Christinaity MADE muslims give up slavery, and only under threat of Christian killing of entire muslim states did they give in. Islam has spent it's entire existence, right from the beginning up to today, fighting to bring it back.