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I've said this a million times to people in this industry: we have a Real Problem with adderall, it's abuse, and the way it robs a person of their ability to fe

I've said this a million times to people in this industry: we have a Real Problem with adderall, it's abuse, and the way it robs a person of their ability to feel empathy. Yes, you're a 10x engineer, yes you write amazing code, yes you can work and work and get. it. done. But you'll also be A-OK with dark patterns, just fine with spying on people who aren't you, and hell, you might even think building the first Terminator robots is an interesting project. Hyberbolic? Sure. But we live in a society that reinforces the idea that the performance enhancement is worth it. But there is a cost, and what you've described is it.

kgwxd 8mo ago
I've been on it, never once felt a lack of empathy, or forwent my principles. If that's happening to a person, it's likely a mask is just being lifted.
- pasquinelli 8mo ago
  this is a statement you can't possibly be sure of and the fact you're making it shows a lack of reflection.
- Henchman21 8mo ago
  It's absolutely a continuum, which implies to me there will be people with your experience. Of course, you may not have encountered a scenario where your principles were on the line! But then, I'd also agree there would be loads of cases where it is a mask being lifted, but isn't that the point? Is there a meaningful difference between "revealing one's true self" and "being robbed of an essential part of humanity" when the outcome results in the same antisocial behavior?
pasquinelli 8mo ago
i think it's silly to think we just need gooder coders with better morals. if the tech industry didn't do what it does it wouldn't enjoy the position in society it has.
Aeglaecia 8mo ago
if youre going against the regime of hyperpathologization please be strong and gentle. people dont want to have their pacifiers ripped out, whether that be by lifting the veil of hypercapitalistic coercion, or simply by making plain the wealth of side effects that can be entirely avoided by ignoring artificial diagnoses and seeking solutions more in line with our biology. like no shit people are going to be more willing to do the bidding of evil when their decision making apparatus is unnaturally saturated. and no shit people are going to have adhd symptoms in a screen based society. its completely obvious. but me saying that is going to get down voted to oblivion. people don't enjoy having a comfortable narrative questioned; dissent (no matter how minor) is equivalent to full scale assault on perceptions of existence. that being said, i dont blame anyone for this, considering that the entirety of existence is currently geared towards forcing the populace into fight or flight mode, thus rendering null the capacity to exact societal change and disrupt the status quo. people really do think their best interests are at the heart of billion dollar companies like those producing pharmaceutical goods !
- Henchman21 8mo ago
  > like no shit people are going to be ... Yep. I still need to say it. I still need this audience, at least time tiny fraction, to hear it. This "community" specifically is so high on it's own supply that these things should be shouted from the rooftops: - You're a fallible human and your ideas aren't always good - Disruption isn't always good - Moving fast and breaking things is a great way to leave a path of destruction in your wake and piss off everyone around you, and isn't always good - Change for the sake of change isn't always good Let's boil that down to: the shit you come up with isn't always good. Or to put it another way, rarely does it seem "should we?" is ever considered alongside "could we?". Finally, as if it weren't obvious: I am not here for fake internet points.
  - Aeglaecia 8mo ago
    the populace has been trained to unequivocally reject any thought that goes against the prevailing narrative. they have been lobotomized, removing the capacity to discern shades of grey. so when things are shouted from the rooftops, automatically they considered not to be worth listening to. if you really want to change people's minds it needs to be done gently, and generally on an individual basis. thats all i wanted to suggest ... internet points are relevant because the less you have, the smaller your audience.
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kgwxd 8mo ago

I've been on it, never once felt a lack of empathy, or forwent my principles. If that's happening to a person, it's likely a mask is just being lifted.

pasquinelli 8mo ago
this is a statement you can't possibly be sure of and the fact you're making it shows a lack of reflection.
Henchman21 8mo ago
It's absolutely a continuum, which implies to me there will be people with your experience. Of course, you may not have encountered a scenario where your principles were on the line! But then, I'd also agree there would be loads of cases where it is a mask being lifted, but isn't that the point? Is there a meaningful difference between "revealing one's true self" and "being robbed of an essential part of humanity" when the outcome results in the same antisocial behavior?

pasquinelli 8mo ago

i think it's silly to think we just need gooder coders with better morals. if the tech industry didn't do what it does it wouldn't enjoy the position in society it has.

Aeglaecia 8mo ago

if youre going against the regime of hyperpathologization please be strong and gentle. people dont want to have their pacifiers ripped out, whether that be by lifting the veil of hypercapitalistic coercion, or simply by making plain the wealth of side effects that can be entirely avoided by ignoring artificial diagnoses and seeking solutions more in line with our biology. like no shit people are going to be more willing to do the bidding of evil when their decision making apparatus is unnaturally saturated. and no shit people are going to have adhd symptoms in a screen based society. its completely obvious. but me saying that is going to get down voted to oblivion. people don't enjoy having a comfortable narrative questioned; dissent (no matter how minor) is equivalent to full scale assault on perceptions of existence. that being said, i dont blame anyone for this, considering that the entirety of existence is currently geared towards forcing the populace into fight or flight mode, thus rendering null the capacity to exact societal change and disrupt the status quo. people really do think their best interests are at the heart of billion dollar companies like those producing pharmaceutical goods !

Henchman21 8mo ago
> like no shit people are going to be ... Yep. I still need to say it. I still need this audience, at least time tiny fraction, to hear it. This "community" specifically is so high on it's own supply that these things should be shouted from the rooftops: - You're a fallible human and your ideas aren't always good - Disruption isn't always good - Moving fast and breaking things is a great way to leave a path of destruction in your wake and piss off everyone around you, and isn't always good - Change for the sake of change isn't always good Let's boil that down to: the shit you come up with isn't always good. Or to put it another way, rarely does it seem "should we?" is ever considered alongside "could we?". Finally, as if it weren't obvious: I am not here for fake internet points.
- Aeglaecia 8mo ago
  the populace has been trained to unequivocally reject any thought that goes against the prevailing narrative. they have been lobotomized, removing the capacity to discern shades of grey. so when things are shouted from the rooftops, automatically they considered not to be worth listening to. if you really want to change people's minds it needs to be done gently, and generally on an individual basis. thats all i wanted to suggest ... internet points are relevant because the less you have, the smaller your audience.

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