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Germany has strong privacy protections against businesses. But not against the state as they consider themselves above suspicion.

spelk 8mo ago
Is this a gut feeling, or is there a basis for this claim? My comment referenced solely due process in relation to the state.
- wolvoleo 8mo ago
  Yes I've seen many news items about laws being introduced that were pretty invasive. https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillance-laws-raise-privacy-concerns https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillanc... https://www.heise.de/news/Ausweispruefung-bei-Prepaid-SIMs-Neues-Anti-Terror-Paket-in-Kraft-3283227.html https://www.heise.de/news/Ausweispruefung-bei-Prepaid-SIMs-N... https://netzpolitik.org/2016/projekt-aniski-wie-der-bnd-mit-150-millionen-euro-messenger-wie-whatsapp-entschluesseln-will/#PANOS https://netzpolitik.org/2016/projekt-aniski-wie-der-bnd-mit-...
  - brookst 8mo ago
    Introduced or passed into law?
  - ulfw 8mo ago
    What does having to show an ID when registering a SIM card have to do with privacy of emails?
    - wolvoleo 8mo ago
      I'm talking about digital privacy in general. In many countries (like in Holland) this is not a requirement. Also Germany was a big proponent of ChatControl, until they swerved at the last minute. Holland was against it every time.
dash2 8mo ago
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- whilenot-dev 8mo ago
  Instead of posting "I googled sources and can confirm" please post your sources so everybody can confirm.
  - dash2 8mo ago
    I do not think it is too much to ask someone to type “German court strikes down surveillance“ into Google. Here is the link though: https://www.google.com/search?q=German+court+strikes+down+surveillance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe https://www.google.com/search?q=German+court+strikes+down+su...
vanderZwan 8mo ago
> But not against the state as they consider themselves above suspicion. That's a statement that I expect to infuriate just about everyone who lived in Eastern Germany, how do they get away with that argument?

spelk 8mo ago

Is this a gut feeling, or is there a basis for this claim? My comment referenced solely due process in relation to the state.

wolvoleo 8mo ago
Yes I've seen many news items about laws being introduced that were pretty invasive. https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillance-laws-raise-privacy-concerns https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillanc... https://www.heise.de/news/Ausweispruefung-bei-Prepaid-SIMs-Neues-Anti-Terror-Paket-in-Kraft-3283227.html https://www.heise.de/news/Ausweispruefung-bei-Prepaid-SIMs-N... https://netzpolitik.org/2016/projekt-aniski-wie-der-bnd-mit-150-millionen-euro-messenger-wie-whatsapp-entschluesseln-will/#PANOS https://netzpolitik.org/2016/projekt-aniski-wie-der-bnd-mit-...
- brookst 8mo ago
  Introduced or passed into law?
- ulfw 8mo ago
  What does having to show an ID when registering a SIM card have to do with privacy of emails?
  - wolvoleo 8mo ago
    I'm talking about digital privacy in general. In many countries (like in Holland) this is not a requirement. Also Germany was a big proponent of ChatControl, until they swerved at the last minute. Holland was against it every time.

dash2 8mo ago

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whilenot-dev 8mo ago
Instead of posting "I googled sources and can confirm" please post your sources so everybody can confirm.
- dash2 8mo ago
  I do not think it is too much to ask someone to type “German court strikes down surveillance“ into Google. Here is the link though: https://www.google.com/search?q=German+court+strikes+down+surveillance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe https://www.google.com/search?q=German+court+strikes+down+su...

vanderZwan 8mo ago

> But not against the state as they consider themselves above suspicion. That's a statement that I expect to infuriate just about everyone who lived in Eastern Germany, how do they get away with that argument?