4 ms·
> The records provide insight into the sort of data that Proton Mail, which prides itself both on its end-to-end encryption and that it is only governed by Swis
by petcat 8mo ago
> The records provide insight into the sort of data that Proton Mail, which prides itself both on its end-to-end encryption and that it is only governed by Swiss privacy law, can and does provide to third parties.
Didn't Proton already say that they were physically relocating their servers outside of Switzerland because the Swiss government couldn't be trusted?
Although I guess the server location didn't matter in this case since all they wanted was the billing information and the credit card info to identify the person.
- VWWHFSfQ 8mo ago> prides itself both on its end-to-end encryption Their end-to-end encryption is pointless because the vast majority of any recipients will just leak the plaintext emails via their own account providers anyway. It only works under very specific circumstances (all parties are using it). I think their marketing overstates what their secure private email actually means.
- njarboe 8mo agoYes. If you send an email from a protonmail account to a gmail account that email is in google's system. Same if in the other direction. Would anyone using protonmail not know this. I would guess at least 99.9% of proton users understand this.
- elashri 8mo ago> Didn't Proton already say that they were physically relocating their servers outside of Switzerland because the Swiss government couldn't be trusted? They said they want to relocate to Germany which I would say in a polite way, is much worse in this regard.
- spelk 8mo agoIn what sense? Germany has among the strongest judicial oversight for invasion of privacy in Europe. Due process is followed when securing search warrants that provide access to subscriber data (Germany does not have administrative subpoenas like in the US and other countries). Former attempts at surveillance have been struck down in the Bundesverfassungsgericht, and the right to privacy has even been affirmed for foreigners (as opposed to other countries like the US that reserve that foreign nationals have zero due process rights for invasion of privacy).
- wolvoleo 8mo agoGermany has strong privacy protections against businesses. But not against the state as they consider themselves above suspicion.
- spelk 8mo agoIs this a gut feeling, or is there a basis for this claim? My comment referenced solely due process in relation to the state.
- wolvoleo 8mo agoYes I've seen many news items about laws being introduced that were pretty invasive. https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillance-laws-raise-privacy-concerns https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/06/24/germanys-new-surveillanc... https://www.heise.de/news/Ausweispruefung-bei-Prepaid-SIMs-Neues-Anti-Terror-Paket-in-Kraft-3283227.html https://www.heise.de/news/Ausweispruefung-bei-Prepaid-SIMs-N... https://netzpolitik.org/2016/projekt-aniski-wie-der-bnd-mit-150-millionen-euro-messenger-wie-whatsapp-entschluesseln-will/#PANOS https://netzpolitik.org/2016/projekt-aniski-wie-der-bnd-mit-...
- brookst 8mo agoIntroduced or passed into law?
- ulfw 8mo agoWhat does having to show an ID when registering a SIM card have to do with privacy of emails?
- wolvoleo 8mo agoI'm talking about digital privacy in general. In many countries (like in Holland) this is not a requirement. Also Germany was a big proponent of ChatControl, until they swerved at the last minute. Holland was against it every time.
- pjmlp 8mo agoNo goverment is to be trusted if that is the main point.