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Given they were praising Trump, Vance, and gang - I called it then. I cancelled my Proton account when all of that hit Mastodon. Their VPN was good, but I dont

Given they were praising Trump, Vance, and gang - I called it then. I cancelled my Proton account when all of that hit Mastodon. Their VPN was good, but I dont support nazies and their toadies.

Vaslo 8mo ago
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- Computer0 8mo ago
  Well I care. I am more informed because of their comment. I now know that I must avoid Proton.
  - worksonmine 8mo ago
    I don't know what Proton did regarding Trump, but if you follow this principle to the end you might as well ditch technology and live in the forest. I'm not being hyperbole, everyone does business with or endorses someone on either side who does stupid shit.
  - albumen 8mo ago
    More informed by that comment, really? Did you read this[0]? As someone disinterested in the topic, the controversy seems very overblown and a knee jerk response. His position seems to have been pretty consistent over time. [0]: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-tr...
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- dgxyz 8mo ago
  We do care. Someone's gotta stand up to it.
  - Vaslo 8mo ago
    They’ll still be in business in 20 years. So much for all that standing up.
- idiotsecant 8mo ago
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    - GuinansEyebrows 8mo ago
      > The only whinging I see is people using terms like Nazi for everyone they disagree with what an oddly specific example
      - Vaslo 8mo ago
        What’s oddly specific about it?
GolfPopper 8mo ago
I wasn't even aware of anything around Proton and specific US political parties. Thank you for your post, as it led me to some searching. The single most useful link I found was this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli...
- platevoltage 8mo ago
  Good enough reason to never trust them.
lucb1e 8mo ago
In trying to check this claim (I thought Proton did sensible things), I found that the submitted news article is not new at all: > [Proton's] homepage touts that “With Proton, your data belongs to you, not tech companies, governments, or hackers.” However, [...] Proton previously handed over an IP address at the request of French authorities made via Europol to Swiss police. Yen wrote a Twitter post at the time, stating, “Proton must comply with Swiss law. As soon as a crime is committed, privacy protections can be suspended and we’re required by Swiss law to answer requests from Swiss authorities.” ---https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru... Big surprise: swiss company complies with swiss law! And the same happened now, quoting the part of the submission that you can read without signing up: > privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail handed over payment data related to a Stop Cop City email account to the Swiss government, which handed it to the FBI. Anyway, regarding your claim, it's a whole rabbit hole of statements they made but broadly speaking it sounds like you're right: Vance supported legislation which Proton campaigned for and, subsequently (as of 2025-01), Proton loves the US Republican Party, believing they would stand up for 'the little guy'. To be fair, they bring some evidence that sound like it can be verified and back this opinion up somewhat, but even if it's a correct opinion on this sub-topic, it's still supporting authoritarianism. Anyway, this is where I'm going to stop trying to politically analyze their situation and just not recommend Proton anymore...
- bdcravens 8mo ago
  It seems they aren't violating the promise about "your data", and are handing over "their data" (IP addresses, payment data)
  - lucb1e 8mo ago
    That seems quite irrelevant in the bigger picture. I'm not recommending a company that campaigns for an authoritarian party, not even to other people in that camp. It's just immoral

Given they were praising Trump, Vance, and gang - I called it then. I cancelled my Proton account when all of that hit Mastodon. Their VPN was good, but I dont support nazies and their toadies.

Vaslo 8mo ago

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Computer0 8mo ago
Well I care. I am more informed because of their comment. I now know that I must avoid Proton.
- worksonmine 8mo ago
  I don't know what Proton did regarding Trump, but if you follow this principle to the end you might as well ditch technology and live in the forest. I'm not being hyperbole, everyone does business with or endorses someone on either side who does stupid shit.
- albumen 8mo ago
  More informed by that comment, really? Did you read this[0]? As someone disinterested in the topic, the controversy seems very overblown and a knee jerk response. His position seems to have been pretty consistent over time. [0]: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-tr...
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dgxyz 8mo ago
We do care. Someone's gotta stand up to it.
- Vaslo 8mo ago
  They’ll still be in business in 20 years. So much for all that standing up.
idiotsecant 8mo ago
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- Vaslo 8mo ago
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  - GuinansEyebrows 8mo ago
    > The only whinging I see is people using terms like Nazi for everyone they disagree with what an oddly specific example
    - Vaslo 8mo ago
      What’s oddly specific about it?

GolfPopper 8mo ago

I wasn't even aware of anything around Proton and specific US political parties. Thank you for your post, as it led me to some searching. The single most useful link I found was this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_poli...

platevoltage 8mo ago
Good enough reason to never trust them.

lucb1e 8mo ago

In trying to check this claim (I thought Proton did sensible things), I found that the submitted news article is not new at all: > [Proton's] homepage touts that “With Proton, your data belongs to you, not tech companies, governments, or hackers.” However, [...] Proton previously handed over an IP address at the request of French authorities made via Europol to Swiss police. Yen wrote a Twitter post at the time, stating, “Proton must comply with Swiss law. As soon as a crime is committed, privacy protections can be suspended and we’re required by Swiss law to answer requests from Swiss authorities.” ---https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru... Big surprise: swiss company complies with swiss law! And the same happened now, quoting the part of the submission that you can read without signing up: > privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail handed over payment data related to a Stop Cop City email account to the Swiss government, which handed it to the FBI. Anyway, regarding your claim, it's a whole rabbit hole of statements they made but broadly speaking it sounds like you're right: Vance supported legislation which Proton campaigned for and, subsequently (as of 2025-01), Proton loves the US Republican Party, believing they would stand up for 'the little guy'. To be fair, they bring some evidence that sound like it can be verified and back this opinion up somewhat, but even if it's a correct opinion on this sub-topic, it's still supporting authoritarianism. Anyway, this is where I'm going to stop trying to politically analyze their situation and just not recommend Proton anymore...

bdcravens 8mo ago
It seems they aren't violating the promise about "your data", and are handing over "their data" (IP addresses, payment data)
- lucb1e 8mo ago
  That seems quite irrelevant in the bigger picture. I'm not recommending a company that campaigns for an authoritarian party, not even to other people in that camp. It's just immoral