> In the business, even the appearance of impropriety is damaging. It was damaging. In 2015. And then for a bit between 2021 and 2024. Now it's not again.

> In the business, even the appearance of impropriety is damaging. It was damaging. In 2015. And then for a bit between 2021 and 2024. Now it's not again. You have to enforce these sorts of gentlemen's agreements. Just saying "it's damaging" isn't enough to actually make it damaging.