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Demand full automation. Demand universal basic income. Notice how the later is nearly absent from the conversation. Another distraction is AGI that which is a

Demand full automation. Demand universal basic income. Notice how the later is nearly absent from the conversation. Another distraction is AGI that which is a danger to humanity- the only danger is people...

pixl97 7mo ago
> the only danger is people... Simply put, no it is not. But on the reverse, the first danger with AI is people. Over the longer term it will look like this. The rich 'win' the world by using AI to enslave the rest of mankind and claim ownership over everything. This will suck and a lot of us will die. The problem is this doesn't solve the greed that cause the problem in the first place. The world will still be limited in a resources of something which will end with the rich in a dick measuring contest and to win that contest they will put more and more power in AI and they connive and fight each other. Eventually the AI has enough power that it kills us all, intentionally or not. We'll achieve nearly unlimited capability long before we solve the problem of unlimited greed and that will spell our end.
- spacecadet 7mo ago
  This is entirely assumptions about a future that has not happened. Ive worked in "AI" for 20 years, through 2 winters, and run an alignment shop and AIRT... The problem is people. People will use the problem as a scapegoat.
  - pixl97 7mo ago
    Dinosaurs lived 100 million years, before they didn't. And walls between France and Germany were effective, until they weren't. Hell, even the 'people' is the problem doesn't work well for things like Moloch problems. Which people? The problem can no longer be pointed at any individual but a super-organizational response. Once you have an issue that is abstracted from it's base components, then any agent capable of parsing the abstraction can be part of influencing it and becoming part of Moloch.
    - spacecadet 7mo ago
      Im familiar. Our group employs game theory in our research... In practice, if you are at the point of blame- yes you have failed.
      - pixl97 7mo ago
        God damnit eukaryotes, I told you this bullshit was going to have long term ramifications 2 billion years ago!
        spacecadet 7mo ago
        Now thats good! :) I think you and I likely agree more than we disagree. Its just out of context...

pixl97 7mo ago

> the only danger is people... Simply put, no it is not. But on the reverse, the first danger with AI is people. Over the longer term it will look like this. The rich 'win' the world by using AI to enslave the rest of mankind and claim ownership over everything. This will suck and a lot of us will die. The problem is this doesn't solve the greed that cause the problem in the first place. The world will still be limited in a resources of something which will end with the rich in a dick measuring contest and to win that contest they will put more and more power in AI and they connive and fight each other. Eventually the AI has enough power that it kills us all, intentionally or not. We'll achieve nearly unlimited capability long before we solve the problem of unlimited greed and that will spell our end.

spacecadet 7mo ago
This is entirely assumptions about a future that has not happened. Ive worked in "AI" for 20 years, through 2 winters, and run an alignment shop and AIRT... The problem is people. People will use the problem as a scapegoat.
- pixl97 7mo ago
  Dinosaurs lived 100 million years, before they didn't. And walls between France and Germany were effective, until they weren't. Hell, even the 'people' is the problem doesn't work well for things like Moloch problems. Which people? The problem can no longer be pointed at any individual but a super-organizational response. Once you have an issue that is abstracted from it's base components, then any agent capable of parsing the abstraction can be part of influencing it and becoming part of Moloch.
  - spacecadet 7mo ago
    Im familiar. Our group employs game theory in our research... In practice, if you are at the point of blame- yes you have failed.
    - pixl97 7mo ago
      God damnit eukaryotes, I told you this bullshit was going to have long term ramifications 2 billion years ago!
      - spacecadet 7mo ago
        Now thats good! :) I think you and I likely agree more than we disagree. Its just out of context...