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I still don’t understand how this can be considered cheaper or more productive than using a human. I’m all for automation in industry, but the "human simulatio
by mtct88 7mo ago
I still don’t understand how this can be considered cheaper or more productive than using a human.
I’m all for automation in industry, but the "human simulation" approach (where a robot mimics a human on a production line instead of using a process optimized for machine operation) just doesn’t make sense to me.
- ReptileMan 7mo agoA cheap humanoid robots will do wonders to alleviate the need for migration. And they can be plugged anywhere you have existing humans working.
- menaerus 7mo agoIt makes sense when you find out that there's only so much humans who want to do and are capable of doing that type of work. Also, robots are cheaper, and they are the opposite of humans - theyt are not emotional, lazy, feeling fatigue or any other spectrum of feelings or behavior ...
- pocksuppet 7mo agoBut why humanoid robots, instead of robots optimized for the task at hand?
- menaerus 7mo agoYou have to rebuild the factory and manufacturing process I guess. Humanoid robot is a drop in replacement for human requiring no intervention
- MagicMoonlight 7mo agoBecause humans can do any task. A fixed robot can only do one task.
- jillesvangurp 7mo agoMost manufacturing operations have a long tail of stuff that is done by people because it's just not worth buying/designing a specialized machine for. That's exactly the stuff that people do currently that humanoid robots might step in and do cheaper. Employees cost roughly 70-120K per year. A lot of work in automotive is skilled work that pays relatively well. So, the economic case is easy to understand. That's why there are lots of companies trying to produce humanoid robots. If they get good enough, lots of companies would buy them. A humanoid robot costing about 100K that can work around the clock (minus charging, battery swaps, servicing, etc.) doing work that otherwise would be done by a person could earn itself back in well under a year. Maybe it will cost a bit more or a bit less. Will they be able to do anything? Not right away probably. But they'll probably be able to do useful things which means people don't need to do these things and can do more valuable things with their time.
- Underqualified 7mo agoI work in manufacturing and one of the driving forces here is the proposed cost of these humanoids. The target price range given by some companies is somewhere between 10k€ and 30k€, which would make them insanely competitive vs a human or a custom automation (which is easily over 100k€).
- moooo99 7mo ago> which would make them insanely competitive vs a human or a custom automation (which is easily over 100k€). But the humanoids are not competing with custom automation. Judging by some of the footage from BMW and the humanoid manufacturers themselves, they very frequently boil down to pick n place tasks, which is a field where lower to low cost automation solutions have been available for a while. Often times with significantly higher throughput as well. Its been a while since I was dealing with shopfloor stuff and I am not an expert, but I do not see these humanoids anywhere near as compelling as many people pretend they are
- wwosik 7mo agowell, I imagine they have to start somewhere and they will gradually get complicated tasks actually sounds like a trainee