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They did send out a follow-up email about this earlier this week: --- Our email yesterday was imprecise relative to our actual new Terms. To be specific: -

They did send out a follow-up email about this earlier this week: --- Our email yesterday was imprecise relative to our actual new Terms. To be specific: - You must be at least 18 years old to use the Service (Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering, including features like account creation/sign in, Zed Free and Zed Pro, and collaboration). See https://zed.dev/terms#21-eligibility https://zed.dev/terms#21-eligibility. We set the threshold at 18 due to children's data privacy obligations under COPPA, equivalent international frameworks, and an increasing number of state and regional laws that extend protections to anyone under 18. Those regulations require parental consent verification, age-gated data handling, and separate retention policies for minors. Building and maintaining that infrastructure is a real cost for a small team, and getting it wrong carries regulatory risk. Setting the line at 18 lets us maintain a single privacy framework for all account holders without carve-outs. - Zed's Software (open source code editing software) is governed by our open source licenses. In cases where the open source license can govern, it will over the Terms. See https://zed.dev/terms#24-restrictions https://zed.dev/terms#24-restrictions. If you have questions, reply to this email or reach us at legal@zed.dev. ---

mort96 8mo ago
Yet the terms that you have to agree to in order to download and use the editor say: > By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old
- TranquilMarmot 8mo ago
  https://zed.dev/download https://zed.dev/download > By downloading and using Zed, you agree to its terms and conditions. That links to: https://zed.dev/terms https://zed.dev/terms > (“Zed,” “we,” or “us”) and our website at www.zed.dev, along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”). Very clearly draws a distinction between the editor (the "Software") and their subscription service (the "Service") > Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service. Is very clearly referencing the subscription service (the "Service") and not the editor (the "Software")
  - mort96 8mo ago
    Notice how I did not quote the "Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service" part. That sentence is completely non-problematic. The part that's a problem is the part I actually quoted: By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old The "Terms" is earlier defined to mean: these Terms of Service, the Data Processing Addendum (“DPA”), available upon request, and Zed’s Privacy Policy So the Terms you have to agree to in order to download the editor, clearly state that by agreeing to the Terms, you warrant that you're 18+. ("Customer" is defined to be a synonym for "You", FWIW).
    - TranquilMarmot 8mo ago
      You cut it off literally just before it specified what that sentence is referring to... > Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service. By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old THE SERVICE > (“Zed,” “we,” or “us”) and our website at www.zed.dev, along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”). The service == subscription service.
      - mort96 8mo ago
        Yes, and you have to agree to the terms of that service in order to use the editor. Those terms could've just been, "you must be 18+ years old to use the service", and everything would be just fine. But they're not. "The Terms" is defined to include the ToS document found at https://zed.dev/terms https://zed.dev/terms, which are the very terms you need to agree to if you want to comply with https://zed.dev/download https://zed.dev/download. If you cannot accept "the Terms", you cannot download and use Zed. And you cannot agree to "the Terms" if you're under 18 years old. This is not complicated, it should not be difficult to understand.

mort96 8mo ago

Yet the terms that you have to agree to in order to download and use the editor say: > By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old

TranquilMarmot 8mo ago
https://zed.dev/download https://zed.dev/download > By downloading and using Zed, you agree to its terms and conditions. That links to: https://zed.dev/terms https://zed.dev/terms > (“Zed,” “we,” or “us”) and our website at www.zed.dev, along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”). Very clearly draws a distinction between the editor (the "Software") and their subscription service (the "Service") > Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service. Is very clearly referencing the subscription service (the "Service") and not the editor (the "Software")
- mort96 8mo ago
  Notice how I did not quote the "Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service" part. That sentence is completely non-problematic. The part that's a problem is the part I actually quoted: By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old The "Terms" is earlier defined to mean: these Terms of Service, the Data Processing Addendum (“DPA”), available upon request, and Zed’s Privacy Policy So the Terms you have to agree to in order to download the editor, clearly state that by agreeing to the Terms, you warrant that you're 18+. ("Customer" is defined to be a synonym for "You", FWIW).
  - TranquilMarmot 8mo ago
    You cut it off literally just before it specified what that sentence is referring to... > Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service. By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old THE SERVICE > (“Zed,” “we,” or “us”) and our website at www.zed.dev, along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”). The service == subscription service.
    - mort96 8mo ago
      Yes, and you have to agree to the terms of that service in order to use the editor. Those terms could've just been, "you must be 18+ years old to use the service", and everything would be just fine. But they're not. "The Terms" is defined to include the ToS document found at https://zed.dev/terms https://zed.dev/terms, which are the very terms you need to agree to if you want to comply with https://zed.dev/download https://zed.dev/download. If you cannot accept "the Terms", you cannot download and use Zed. And you cannot agree to "the Terms" if you're under 18 years old. This is not complicated, it should not be difficult to understand.