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by wilg 8mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presiden... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presiden... Skill issue. Run your candidate. Convince people to vote for them. > How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran? THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in.

don_esteban 8mo ago
Re: Skill issue Money issue. This is not level playing ground, the field is severely tilted. The referee is bought. But you are saying: You lost fair and square, wait 4 years to have any say in what is going on. Re: THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in. When the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum, the public's choice is meaningless. To say nothing about politicians outright shamelessly lying (e.g. Trump campaigning on 'no more wars').
- wilg 8mo ago
  Money issue is also a skill issue, but I have no doubt in the era of free media someone could figure it out. Sorry I didn't invent the idea that there are federal elections every two years, I'm just telling you that you have to win them. Bonus points: this is also how you can change the election schedule or political system! If you're saying both candidates were bad when one was Trump, and the other was Hillary, Kamala, or Joe, then you don't have very good judgement. I agree Trump lying about not starting a war was bad. Many of us have said for years that he is a terrible liar. Please help us.
  - don_esteban 8mo ago
    I agree that Clinton/Harris/Biden are not equally bad as Trump. Trump is monstrously bad (= force the shit hitting the fan NOW), the democratic alternatives were just 'normally' bad (= continue the same old crap driving the shit closer to the fan, ignoring the looming disaster).
- astrange 7mo ago
  Bernie had the most money. Political campaigns get money from people using ActBlue to give them $25. (Also, political donors are unusually engaged upper-middle-class people which means they are left of the average voter.)
tremon 7mo ago
> THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in That's the second box only. There's also the soapbox (that you also referred to), the jury box and ultimately the ammo box.

by wilg 8mo ago

don_esteban 8mo ago

Re: Skill issue Money issue. This is not level playing ground, the field is severely tilted. The referee is bought. But you are saying: You lost fair and square, wait 4 years to have any say in what is going on. Re: THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in. When the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum, the public's choice is meaningless. To say nothing about politicians outright shamelessly lying (e.g. Trump campaigning on 'no more wars').

wilg 8mo ago
Money issue is also a skill issue, but I have no doubt in the era of free media someone could figure it out. Sorry I didn't invent the idea that there are federal elections every two years, I'm just telling you that you have to win them. Bonus points: this is also how you can change the election schedule or political system! If you're saying both candidates were bad when one was Trump, and the other was Hillary, Kamala, or Joe, then you don't have very good judgement. I agree Trump lying about not starting a war was bad. Many of us have said for years that he is a terrible liar. Please help us.
- don_esteban 8mo ago
  I agree that Clinton/Harris/Biden are not equally bad as Trump. Trump is monstrously bad (= force the shit hitting the fan NOW), the democratic alternatives were just 'normally' bad (= continue the same old crap driving the shit closer to the fan, ignoring the looming disaster).
astrange 7mo ago
Bernie had the most money. Political campaigns get money from people using ActBlue to give them $25. (Also, political donors are unusually engaged upper-middle-class people which means they are left of the average voter.)

tremon 7mo ago

> THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in That's the second box only. There's also the soapbox (that you also referred to), the jury box and ultimately the ammo box.