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How do I cancel my subscription to the DoW? The bigger picture is that the DoW got what it wanted and it got it by threatening one company while the other did

How do I cancel my subscription to the DoW? The bigger picture is that the DoW got what it wanted and it got it by threatening one company while the other did its bidding.

davidw 8mo ago
By voting.
- don_esteban 8mo ago
  Did the nsa's spying on everyone change between democratic and republican governments?
  - ori_b 8mo ago
    Did you vote in the primaries for a candidate that might change it?
    - jrflowers 8mo ago
      I like that I can’t tell if this is some sort of admonition for not voting centrist enough in a primary that didn’t happen or for not voting left enough in a primary that did not happen. It seems like if you’re going to be so bold as to do a callout you might as well say what for (and why you either picked or specifically skipped a primary that did not happen)
    - don_esteban 8mo ago
      Did democrats offer primaries in the last elections? Did voting for Bernie Sanders in the last two primaries (especially the ones when Trump won for the first time) amount to anything? I wonder how long can the American public keep the self delusion that the elections are anything but a theater for the naive, to keep the pretense the public has any say in things that matter. How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran?
      - wilg 8mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presiden... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presiden... Skill issue. Run your candidate. Convince people to vote for them. > How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran? THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in.
        don_esteban 8mo ago
        Re: Skill issue Money issue. This is not level playing ground, the field is severely tilted. The referee is bought. But you are saying: You lost fair and square, wait 4 years to have any say in what is going on. Re: THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in. When the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum, the public's choice is meaningless. To say nothing about politicians outright shamelessly lying (e.g. Trump campaigning on 'no more wars').
        wilg 8mo ago
        Money issue is also a skill issue, but I have no doubt in the era of free media someone could figure it out. Sorry I didn't invent the idea that there are federal elections every two years, I'm just telling you that you have to win them. Bonus points: this is also how you can change the election schedule or political system! If you're saying both candidates were bad when one was Trump, and the other was Hillary, Kamala, or Joe, then you don't have very good judgement. I agree Trump lying about not starting a war was bad. Many of us have said for years that he is a terrible liar. Please help us.
        don_esteban 8mo ago
        I agree that Clinton/Harris/Biden are not equally bad as Trump. Trump is monstrously bad (= force the shit hitting the fan NOW), the democratic alternatives were just 'normally' bad (= continue the same old crap driving the shit closer to the fan, ignoring the looming disaster).
  - vkou 8mo ago
    No. ... But the government flooding cities with thousands of masked thugs with a license to do whatever they want... has so far been an entirely Republican thing. There are more colours to the world than pure black and pure white. There are also a million shades of grey in between, and most of us have the ability to distinguish between them.
- raincole 8mo ago
  Voting changes the name of the department. It doesn't change if the government wants mass surveillance. See PRISM.
  - davidw 8mo ago
    This is my Senator: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/domestic-surveillance-reform https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/domestic-surveillance-re... He may not be perfect on everything, but elect more people like him and it starts moving the needle. Or elect some more that are even more opposed to some of these things. It doesn't happen overnight. Change is difficult.
    - mmooss 8mo ago
      > Change is difficult. I agree, though notice that the GOP/MAGA have and continue to make enormous changes. The difference is that they believe they can do it while others sit around talking about hopelessness and powerlessness. The only difference is belief.
  - mmooss 8mo ago
    > Voting changes the name of the department. You're conceding that the name has already changed, without voting. > It doesn't change if the government wants mass surveillance. That can be prevented by Congress with enough political will.
delaminator 8mo ago
Here's a simple ubsubscribe guide https://usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship https://usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship
- abustamam 8mo ago
  Unless we move out of the country though, we are still technically subscribed to the DoW (still need to pay taxes etc)

How do I cancel my subscription to the DoW? The bigger picture is that the DoW got what it wanted and it got it by threatening one company while the other did its bidding.

davidw 8mo ago

By voting.

don_esteban 8mo ago
Did the nsa's spying on everyone change between democratic and republican governments?
- ori_b 8mo ago
  Did you vote in the primaries for a candidate that might change it?
  - jrflowers 8mo ago
    I like that I can’t tell if this is some sort of admonition for not voting centrist enough in a primary that didn’t happen or for not voting left enough in a primary that did not happen. It seems like if you’re going to be so bold as to do a callout you might as well say what for (and why you either picked or specifically skipped a primary that did not happen)
  - don_esteban 8mo ago
    Did democrats offer primaries in the last elections? Did voting for Bernie Sanders in the last two primaries (especially the ones when Trump won for the first time) amount to anything? I wonder how long can the American public keep the self delusion that the elections are anything but a theater for the naive, to keep the pretense the public has any say in things that matter. How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran?
    - wilg 8mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presiden... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presiden... Skill issue. Run your candidate. Convince people to vote for them. > How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran? THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in.
      - don_esteban 8mo ago
        Re: Skill issue Money issue. This is not level playing ground, the field is severely tilted. The referee is bought. But you are saying: You lost fair and square, wait 4 years to have any say in what is going on. Re: THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in. When the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum, the public's choice is meaningless. To say nothing about politicians outright shamelessly lying (e.g. Trump campaigning on 'no more wars').
        wilg 8mo ago
        Money issue is also a skill issue, but I have no doubt in the era of free media someone could figure it out. Sorry I didn't invent the idea that there are federal elections every two years, I'm just telling you that you have to win them. Bonus points: this is also how you can change the election schedule or political system! If you're saying both candidates were bad when one was Trump, and the other was Hillary, Kamala, or Joe, then you don't have very good judgement. I agree Trump lying about not starting a war was bad. Many of us have said for years that he is a terrible liar. Please help us.
        don_esteban 8mo ago
        I agree that Clinton/Harris/Biden are not equally bad as Trump. Trump is monstrously bad (= force the shit hitting the fan NOW), the democratic alternatives were just 'normally' bad (= continue the same old crap driving the shit closer to the fan, ignoring the looming disaster).
- vkou 8mo ago
  No. ... But the government flooding cities with thousands of masked thugs with a license to do whatever they want... has so far been an entirely Republican thing. There are more colours to the world than pure black and pure white. There are also a million shades of grey in between, and most of us have the ability to distinguish between them.
raincole 8mo ago
Voting changes the name of the department. It doesn't change if the government wants mass surveillance. See PRISM.
- davidw 8mo ago
  This is my Senator: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/domestic-surveillance-reform https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/domestic-surveillance-re... He may not be perfect on everything, but elect more people like him and it starts moving the needle. Or elect some more that are even more opposed to some of these things. It doesn't happen overnight. Change is difficult.
  - mmooss 8mo ago
    > Change is difficult. I agree, though notice that the GOP/MAGA have and continue to make enormous changes. The difference is that they believe they can do it while others sit around talking about hopelessness and powerlessness. The only difference is belief.
- mmooss 8mo ago
  > Voting changes the name of the department. You're conceding that the name has already changed, without voting. > It doesn't change if the government wants mass surveillance. That can be prevented by Congress with enough political will.

delaminator 8mo ago

Here's a simple ubsubscribe guide https://usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship https://usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship

abustamam 8mo ago
Unless we move out of the country though, we are still technically subscribed to the DoW (still need to pay taxes etc)