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To my knowledge NPM isn't shipped in _any_ major OSes. It's available to install on all, just like most package managers, but I'm not sure it's in the default d

To my knowledge NPM isn't shipped in _any_ major OSes. It's available to install on all, just like most package managers, but I'm not sure it's in the default distributions of macOS, Windows, or the major Linux distros?

anilgulecha 8mo ago
No package manager is. But of the ones that are installed by users, npm is probably the most popular.
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- spinagon 8mo ago
  What about pip? It's either installed or immediately available on many OSes
  - piperswe 8mo ago
    `pip install` either doesn’t work out of the box or has the chance to clobber system files though
  - nikanj 8mo ago
    This is about eight years old. The python situation has mostly gotten worse since https://xkcd.com/1987/ https://xkcd.com/1987/
    - a_t48 8mo ago
      What? It’s much much better now, you can just use uv. Yeah, it’s yet another package manager, but it does it well.
      - chrisweekly 8mo ago
        Or go up a rung or two on the abstraction ladder, and use mise to manage all the things (node, npm, python, etc).
    - jitl 8mo ago
      python packaging / envs is solved now by uv. its not promising or used by people in the know like the last 2 trendy python package managers. i was a big time python hater since it was a pita to support as a devtools guy but now its trivial. uv just works, it won.
      - abustamam 8mo ago
        I'm not a python dev, but I see a bit of its ecosystem. How does uv compare with conda or venv? I thought JS had the monopoly on competing package managers.
  - jitl 8mo ago
    system pip w/ sudo usually unleashes Zalgo, i’d rather curl | bash but npm is fine too. it’s just about meeting people where they’re at, and in the ai age many devs have npm if you build for the web, no matter what your backend is (python, go, rust, java, c#), your frontend will almost certainly have some js, so likely you need npm.
  - Fabricio20 8mo ago
    pip might be but it was historically super inconsistent (at least in my experience). Is it `pip install`? `python3 -m pip install`? maybe `pip3 install`? Yeah ubuntu did a lot of damage to pip here. npm always worked because you had to install it and it didnt have a transition phase from python2 being in the OS by default.
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anilgulecha 8mo ago

No package manager is. But of the ones that are installed by users, npm is probably the most popular.

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spinagon 8mo ago
What about pip? It's either installed or immediately available on many OSes
- piperswe 8mo ago
  `pip install` either doesn’t work out of the box or has the chance to clobber system files though
- nikanj 8mo ago
  This is about eight years old. The python situation has mostly gotten worse since https://xkcd.com/1987/ https://xkcd.com/1987/
  - a_t48 8mo ago
    What? It’s much much better now, you can just use uv. Yeah, it’s yet another package manager, but it does it well.
    - chrisweekly 8mo ago
      Or go up a rung or two on the abstraction ladder, and use mise to manage all the things (node, npm, python, etc).
  - jitl 8mo ago
    python packaging / envs is solved now by uv. its not promising or used by people in the know like the last 2 trendy python package managers. i was a big time python hater since it was a pita to support as a devtools guy but now its trivial. uv just works, it won.
    - abustamam 8mo ago
      I'm not a python dev, but I see a bit of its ecosystem. How does uv compare with conda or venv? I thought JS had the monopoly on competing package managers.
- jitl 8mo ago
  system pip w/ sudo usually unleashes Zalgo, i’d rather curl | bash but npm is fine too. it’s just about meeting people where they’re at, and in the ai age many devs have npm if you build for the web, no matter what your backend is (python, go, rust, java, c#), your frontend will almost certainly have some js, so likely you need npm.
- Fabricio20 8mo ago
  pip might be but it was historically super inconsistent (at least in my experience). Is it `pip install`? `python3 -m pip install`? maybe `pip3 install`? Yeah ubuntu did a lot of damage to pip here. npm always worked because you had to install it and it didnt have a transition phase from python2 being in the OS by default.
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