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> The democratic process inherently produces outcomes where not every action taken by a government has majority support. Always. Inevitably. Precisely -- you a

> The democratic process inherently produces outcomes where not every action taken by a government has majority support. Always. Inevitably. Precisely -- you are repeating my point. And precisely because this is an inevitable result, arguments result of the form that such actions are what people want, because they voted for that politician, and that politician did that, therefore the people must have wanted it, therefore anyone who doesn't want it must be in the minority. This was your argument. For the 6th time: This is not the case. Just because a politician did something does not mean it has majority support. Polling shows this particular position (pro-Iran-war) does not have majority support, but rather majority opposition [0], contrary to your argument. Because of the aforementioned I*P limitation, polls are the way to determine this, and that is what they determined [0]. If you think there is majority support for the Iran war, you are in a bubble. Your own personal "batshit" conspiracy theory about "elites" or whatever has no bearing on this. 0 - https://time.com/7382231/iran-us-israel-war-support-polling-trump-republicans-democrats/ https://time.com/7382231/iran-us-israel-war-support-polling-...

ajross 8mo ago
> arguments result of the form that such actions are what people want ... who are you replying to? Not me. I certainly didn't say that.
- ImPostingOnHN 8mo ago
  You clearly said that opposition to the Iran war was not a majority position [0] (i.e., that the Iran war is something voters want), which is incorrect. Your explanation of this claim was that voters don't care about Iran, which is also incorrect, per polling [1]. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47250233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47250233 1 - https://time.com/7382231/iran-us-israel-war-support-polling-trump-republicans-democrats/ https://time.com/7382231/iran-us-israel-war-support-polling-...
  - ajross 8mo ago
    Cite 0 isn't what I said, though. I said people who care about Iran (in the sense of it being a primary driver of voting preference) are in the minority. You're arguing with a strawman, or a mistake. You agree with me.
    - ImPostingOnHN 8mo ago
      > Cite 0 isn't what I said, though. Yes it is. Here is the exchange in question: >> I'm talking about the majority position, not minority (opposition to Iran war) > So, no, you're not. Or you're misunderstanding how this works. > people don't care about the war in Iran. They were talking about the majority position (it is opposition to Iran war), and they weren't "misunderstanding how this works", and people do care about the war in Iran. >I said people who care about Iran (in the sense of it being a primary driver of voting preference) are in the minority. Close -- you were talking about people who care about the Iran war, and you omitted everything in parentheses. In contradiction to that thing which you said, however: People who oppose the Iran war are in the majority.

ajross 8mo ago

> arguments result of the form that such actions are what people want ... who are you replying to? Not me. I certainly didn't say that.

ImPostingOnHN 8mo ago
You clearly said that opposition to the Iran war was not a majority position [0] (i.e., that the Iran war is something voters want), which is incorrect. Your explanation of this claim was that voters don't care about Iran, which is also incorrect, per polling [1]. 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47250233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47250233 1 - https://time.com/7382231/iran-us-israel-war-support-polling-trump-republicans-democrats/ https://time.com/7382231/iran-us-israel-war-support-polling-...
- ajross 8mo ago
  Cite 0 isn't what I said, though. I said people who care about Iran (in the sense of it being a primary driver of voting preference) are in the minority. You're arguing with a strawman, or a mistake. You agree with me.
  - ImPostingOnHN 8mo ago
    > Cite 0 isn't what I said, though. Yes it is. Here is the exchange in question: >> I'm talking about the majority position, not minority (opposition to Iran war) > So, no, you're not. Or you're misunderstanding how this works. > people don't care about the war in Iran. They were talking about the majority position (it is opposition to Iran war), and they weren't "misunderstanding how this works", and people do care about the war in Iran. >I said people who care about Iran (in the sense of it being a primary driver of voting preference) are in the minority. Close -- you were talking about people who care about the Iran war, and you omitted everything in parentheses. In contradiction to that thing which you said, however: People who oppose the Iran war are in the majority.