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It's impressive what people are able to vibecode these days!

by Retr0id 8mo ago

latexr 8mo ago
There’s no mention of any vibe coding in the post. Believe it or not, there are people who are still able to program by themselves.
- GaggiX 8mo ago
  I'm not the parent comment but if you look at the images they posted you can see that the icons of the tools seems very likely to have been generated by a LLM (the SVGs).
  - latexr 8mo ago
    > the icons of the tools seems very likely to have been generated by a LLM They just look like bad rushed placeholder icons. And why does that immediately scream vibe-coded?
    - GaggiX 8mo ago
      They have the same same inconsistencies and incoherencies that I have encounter with LLMs creating SVG. Very different from what a human would have created (and I don't think you have to train your eyes to see it).
    - Retr0id 8mo ago
      Humans tend to use free icon collections or search the web for suitable images, rather than hand-writing SVG markup.
      - foresto 8mo ago
        Why even consider hand-written SVG when drawing tools like Inkscape exist? Sure, there are occasions to write markup from scratch, but vanishingly few in my experience.
    - Sebguer 8mo ago
      if you truly can't clock that this is AI written, you probably need to desperately develop this skill as soon as possible, because everything outside of the first sentence is so very, very clearly slop.
      - latexr 8mo ago
        There are few types of people more annoying and less successful at changing anyone’s mind than those who are condescending while failing to understand the point being made. Developing the skill to recognise when you’re being one is paramount to having fruitful conversations. Unless, of course, one just cares about sounding right, not actually understanding the conversation and reaching a truthful conclusion.
- roywiggins 8mo ago
  The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. It's fine, it seems like a fun project to vibe code. Not sure about raising money on Patreon for it, but
  - latexr 8mo ago
    > The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. No, not “etc”. What else looks LLM-formatted about them? Because em-dashes are not enough to claim LLM. Look, I get that you don’t care about proper typographic characters. You don’t have to, that’s fine. But many of us humans do. https://www.gally.net/miscellaneous/hn-em-dash-user-leaderboard.html https://www.gally.net/miscellaneous/hn-em-dash-user-leaderbo... And going from “LLM-formatted lists” (without any certainty) to vibe-coded project is a huge leap.
    - roywiggins 8mo ago
      They are very even. They are uniformly bolded. They're long and comprehensive. Most humans would have more variation in length unless they were working to a template or a style guide. A long catalogue of tools is also just way more detail than most people would put into an announcement post... but an LLM doesn't get tired and will barf all that out if you don't stop it. A more robust and perhaps more vivid indicator are sentences like this: "This isn’t a proof of concept or a weekend project. It’s a real authoring environment." "It's not X, it's Y" is an LLM tell. "It's a real Z" is another. Together? I'm going to conclude it's LLM generated to like a 90% certainty. And as the sibling notes, the icons look like LLM SVG output. They're more mangled than even a rushed human would do. Again, it's fine. If I had more time I'd love to try to vibecode a Flash clone.
    - Retr0id 8mo ago
      This isn't just some em-dashes, it's 126 of them in a single announcement post.
      - roywiggins 8mo ago
        And not a single colon! Well, outside the smiley in the opening paragraph. Just read the first two paragraphs and there's a full stylistic whiplash. I'd bet $100 that the first paragraph was human-written and the rest were almost fully Claude. It's kind of creepy, like a human rolling their eyes back partway through a paragraph and suddenly speaking like Microsoft Bob.
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It's impressive what people are able to vibecode these days!

by Retr0id 8mo ago

It's impressive what people are able to vibecode these days!

There’s no mention of any vibe coding in the post. Believe it or not, there are people who are still able to program by themselves.

GaggiX 8mo ago
I'm not the parent comment but if you look at the images they posted you can see that the icons of the tools seems very likely to have been generated by a LLM (the SVGs).
- latexr 8mo ago
  > the icons of the tools seems very likely to have been generated by a LLM They just look like bad rushed placeholder icons. And why does that immediately scream vibe-coded?
  - GaggiX 8mo ago
    They have the same same inconsistencies and incoherencies that I have encounter with LLMs creating SVG. Very different from what a human would have created (and I don't think you have to train your eyes to see it).
  - Retr0id 8mo ago
    Humans tend to use free icon collections or search the web for suitable images, rather than hand-writing SVG markup.
    - foresto 8mo ago
      Why even consider hand-written SVG when drawing tools like Inkscape exist? Sure, there are occasions to write markup from scratch, but vanishingly few in my experience.
  - Sebguer 8mo ago
    if you truly can't clock that this is AI written, you probably need to desperately develop this skill as soon as possible, because everything outside of the first sentence is so very, very clearly slop.
    - latexr 8mo ago
      There are few types of people more annoying and less successful at changing anyone’s mind than those who are condescending while failing to understand the point being made. Developing the skill to recognise when you’re being one is paramount to having fruitful conversations. Unless, of course, one just cares about sounding right, not actually understanding the conversation and reaching a truthful conclusion.
roywiggins 8mo ago
The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. It's fine, it seems like a fun project to vibe code. Not sure about raising money on Patreon for it, but
- latexr 8mo ago
  > The lists in the post look like they're LLM-formatted, em-dashes etc. No, not “etc”. What else looks LLM-formatted about them? Because em-dashes are not enough to claim LLM. Look, I get that you don’t care about proper typographic characters. You don’t have to, that’s fine. But many of us humans do. https://www.gally.net/miscellaneous/hn-em-dash-user-leaderboard.html https://www.gally.net/miscellaneous/hn-em-dash-user-leaderbo... And going from “LLM-formatted lists” (without any certainty) to vibe-coded project is a huge leap.
  - roywiggins 8mo ago
    They are very even. They are uniformly bolded. They're long and comprehensive. Most humans would have more variation in length unless they were working to a template or a style guide. A long catalogue of tools is also just way more detail than most people would put into an announcement post... but an LLM doesn't get tired and will barf all that out if you don't stop it. A more robust and perhaps more vivid indicator are sentences like this: "This isn’t a proof of concept or a weekend project. It’s a real authoring environment." "It's not X, it's Y" is an LLM tell. "It's a real Z" is another. Together? I'm going to conclude it's LLM generated to like a 90% certainty. And as the sibling notes, the icons look like LLM SVG output. They're more mangled than even a rushed human would do. Again, it's fine. If I had more time I'd love to try to vibecode a Flash clone.
  - Retr0id 8mo ago
    This isn't just some em-dashes, it's 126 of them in a single announcement post.
    - roywiggins 8mo ago
      And not a single colon! Well, outside the smiley in the opening paragraph. Just read the first two paragraphs and there's a full stylistic whiplash. I'd bet $100 that the first paragraph was human-written and the rest were almost fully Claude. It's kind of creepy, like a human rolling their eyes back partway through a paragraph and suddenly speaking like Microsoft Bob.
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