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Yeah, the father/son framing feels like deliberate spin in the headline here. This was a mentally ill adult, not an innocent victim ripped from his parents arm

by ajross 8mo ago

Yeah, the father/son framing feels like deliberate spin in the headline here. This was a mentally ill adult, not an innocent victim ripped from his parents arms. I think there's room for legitimate argument about the externalities and impact that this technology can have, but really... What's the solution here?

rootusrootus 8mo ago
> mentally ill adult, not an innocent victim Did you really mean that? He may not have been a child, but he does sound like an innocent victim. If he were sufficiently mentally disabled he would get some similar protections to a child because of his inability to consent.
- ericfr11 8mo ago
  Maybe, but let's say the same person was playing with a gun. Would they reach the same outcome? Most likely
  - rootusrootus 8mo ago
    Is this a talking gun? If not, then it does not seem like a good analogy.
  - intended 8mo ago
    The entire world has rules against gun ownership. America is an outlier, and has constitutional rules that alter the discussion. In other situations the person wouldn’t have access to a gun. Let alone a gun that encourages it to stage a mass casualty event.
- ajross 8mo ago
  Nothing in the article alleges significant disability though. You're projecting your own ideas onto the situation, precisely because of the misleading title. Please recognize that this is coverage of a lawsuit, sourced almost entirely from statements by the plaintiffs and fed by an extremely spun framing by the journalist who wrote it up for you. Read critically and apply some salt, folks.
  - rootusrootus 8mo ago
    I'm just passing judgement on the words Gemini used. If you used those words towards another non-disabled adult and then they killed themselves, there's a fair chance you would end up in prison.
theshackleford 8mo ago
Being an adult doesnt make you anyone less someones child, and mental illness makes you no less of a victim. > I think there's room for legitimate argument about the externalities and impact that this technology can have And yet both this and your other posts in this thread seem to in fact only do the opposite and seem entirely aimed at being nothing other than dismissive of literally every facet of it. > but really... What's the solution here? Maybe thinking about it for longer than 30 seconds before throwing up our arms with "yeah yeah unfortunate but what can we really do amirite?" would be a good start?

by ajross 8mo ago

rootusrootus 8mo ago

> mentally ill adult, not an innocent victim Did you really mean that? He may not have been a child, but he does sound like an innocent victim. If he were sufficiently mentally disabled he would get some similar protections to a child because of his inability to consent.

ericfr11 8mo ago
Maybe, but let's say the same person was playing with a gun. Would they reach the same outcome? Most likely
- rootusrootus 8mo ago
  Is this a talking gun? If not, then it does not seem like a good analogy.
- intended 8mo ago
  The entire world has rules against gun ownership. America is an outlier, and has constitutional rules that alter the discussion. In other situations the person wouldn’t have access to a gun. Let alone a gun that encourages it to stage a mass casualty event.
ajross 8mo ago
Nothing in the article alleges significant disability though. You're projecting your own ideas onto the situation, precisely because of the misleading title. Please recognize that this is coverage of a lawsuit, sourced almost entirely from statements by the plaintiffs and fed by an extremely spun framing by the journalist who wrote it up for you. Read critically and apply some salt, folks.
- rootusrootus 8mo ago
  I'm just passing judgement on the words Gemini used. If you used those words towards another non-disabled adult and then they killed themselves, there's a fair chance you would end up in prison.

theshackleford 8mo ago

Being an adult doesnt make you anyone less someones child, and mental illness makes you no less of a victim. > I think there's room for legitimate argument about the externalities and impact that this technology can have And yet both this and your other posts in this thread seem to in fact only do the opposite and seem entirely aimed at being nothing other than dismissive of literally every facet of it. > but really... What's the solution here? Maybe thinking about it for longer than 30 seconds before throwing up our arms with "yeah yeah unfortunate but what can we really do amirite?" would be a good start?