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This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient pat
by snailmailman 7mo ago
This is a quite scary map. They are all over my local area. It may technically be possible to route a drive around them, but if you take the most convenient path between any two points at least one camera will spot you. I'd have to leave my neighborhood through back roads and enter local shopping areas through sidestreets.
This data shouldn't even be collected in the first place, let alone consolidated into a national network that any police officer can decide to spy on me through.
- CGMthrowaway 7mo ago> It may technically be possible to route a drive around them That's an interesting idea...
- sodality2 7mo agohttps://dontgetflocked.com/ https://dontgetflocked.com/
- JKCalhoun 7mo agoCool, but… I was hoping for an online game, maybe Escape From Flockopolis. Driving sim (using Google street view) where you try to avoid the Flock.
- baby_souffle 7mo agoI can't speak to flock but I know that other vendors in the space have software designed to calculate optimal locations to maximize probability at least one license plate scan for every trip taken. Presumably that software can then be used to upsell additional cameras because with an increased density your capabilities start to approximate real-time live position tracking instead of just getting approximate locations of hot plates.
- gentile 7mo agoDownload osm data, extract roads and surveillance, gpd overlay how=difference, remove/edit the different osmid's, write to pbf file, convert to obf file w/ osmandmapcreator, import into OsmAnd. Now you have turn by turn navigation around ALPRs on your phone. Edit: link https://github.com/pickpj/Big-B-Router https://github.com/pickpj/Big-B-Router - I tend to find ALPRs that are missing in the OSM data, so keep on updating OSM data.
- ssl-3 7mo ago> Now you have turn by turn navigation around ALPRs [that we -- regular people -- know about] on your phone [while still being observed by the ones we don't know about]. fixed that for you. :-/
- jacquesm 7mo agoAnd a good chunk of your trips will have to be cancelled because no such route exists.
- tsbischof 7mo agoI made a version which does the avoidance dynamically at runtime, works for any tracks you want to use: https://alprwatch.org/navigation https://alprwatch.org/navigation. It works fully offline after you download the maps and overlays
- iamtheworstdev 7mo agowow. quite literally the only ones in my area are surveilling the county park / community center. that's creepy. I'll just have to assume they're doing something creepier at the public library.
- JKCalhoun 7mo agoSaw two in my area on the map. I drove out to investigate, ended up adding two more to the site.
- burningChrome 7mo ago>> This is a quite scary map. It can be. FLOCK data was used to put Bryan Kohberger at the scene along with other people's security camera's. Cops regularly use FLOCK camera's to get hits for criminals that have warrants for violent crime. I can see why people are ok with them when they're used to get criminals off the streets. However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop (where people are pulled out at gunpoint and detained) against a car they got a hit on - only to find out the person they really wanted wasn't driving or even in the car at all. What's interesting is businesses and houses have so many cameras nowadays that the first thing cops do when they get to the scene of a violent crime is canvas the area for camera's. So yeah, you can avoid FLOCK, but there are most likely hundreds of other camera's that will capture you driving through any given area.
- ghouse 7mo agoBut the cameras that the law enforcement officers canvas in the area aren't centrally aggregated and tagged with meta data such that they can be queried at scale.
- xXSLAYERXx 7mo ago> However, I've seen multiple times where cops initiate a felony stop At what point do we accept that all systems are flawed? There could be many variables as to why the perp wasn't in the car. Maybe the perp stole the car. Maybe the perp borrowed the car. Maybe these systems do not work well in fog etc etc. I don't know how we're supposed to advance technology that makes us safer without getting into these muky situations from time to time.
- mainmailman 7mo agoWhy do anything at all?
- xXSLAYERXx 7mo agoWhy even deploy such systems? I would support less for sure.
- carefulfungi 7mo agoYou should assume every police cruiser has a plate reader, too.
- pc86 7mo agoThey do, especially in cities and wealthy suburbs (and honestly a lot of poor rural areas too). The difference is these typically don't zap that data up to a central database that any agency in the country can access, the way Flock does if only because the security people at Flock are a joke.
- thephyber 7mo agoNo they don’t. You are conflating “any” with “every”. In my city, the plate reader cop cars have 4 smallish boxes, each mounted above a quarter panel. At most about 1/20 of the police cars for my local PD has these installed. It’s more likely that private sector cars have them installed because car repo companies will pay bounties for license plate hits on a car they have an active repo contract for.
- pc86 7mo agoYou think more than 5% of the "private sector" cars on the road have ALPRs because of car repo bounties? Regardless, you're being needlessly pedantic.
- k33n 7mo ago[flagged]
- HNisCIS 7mo agoUh speak for yourself but some of us are doing the good crimes and would rather like to continue that fight from outside prison and without being shot in the face.
- k33n 7mo ago[flagged]
- scarecrowbob 7mo agoGo team.
- milkytron 7mo ago[flagged]
- 9999px 7mo agoWe are all being investigated by the Feds 24/7 — that's what dragnet surveillance is: indiscriminate investigation at scale to be used retroactively. "Don't do anything bad and nothing will happen" is frankly asinine to me, personally. That same logic could extend to stop-and-frisk or random door-to-door visits to check for citizenship.
- tsbischof 7mo agoIf you want to explore navigation I made an app: https://alprwatch.org/navigation https://alprwatch.org/navigation. It works fully offline, you just need to download the maps and overlays
- Rapzid 7mo agoThey are all over certain neighborhoods and areas in my metro.. At first I thought it was due to the wealth of the neighborhoods but.. Now I'm wondering if the maps is just not fully filled in :|