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Same question on Google gets you nyc.gov (the actual source!) with the same answer. That page is also always correct for NYC, instead however correct ChatGPT is

Same question on Google gets you nyc.gov (the actual source!) with the same answer. That page is also always correct for NYC, instead however correct ChatGPT is, which might be 100%... or might not!

pixl97 7mo ago
Note: 'Same question on Google gets you' can only reasonably be sure for you and no other person. Answers may vary depending on your location and history information.
- slg 7mo ago
  This is a strange disclaimer to make specifically about Google when it is even more true for these chatbots.
prasadjoglekar 7mo ago
True. But just changing the prompt to include "cite me cases" expands the search to court systems and actual cases. It's pretty useful as a first pass to get a sense for the issues, precedents and laws at stake.
- ambicapter 7mo ago
  You know some of those "actual cases" are made up, right? Like, famously, lawyers are filing briefs with made-up citations b/c they used LLMs to draft it.
  - bluepeter 7mo ago
    Ah ok so only lawyers get to use AI hallucinations! (Actually, CA has a bill pending that AFAIR requires lawyers to manually verify AI citations... which is a lot narrower and better than what NY is trying here.)
paxys 7mo ago
And what then? People read through all of nyc.gov and the entire city/state legal code to find the exact statute that applies to their scenario? In fact government agencies have set up their own chatbots to help people with situations like these, and like the article says those would be illegal under this law as well.
- threetonesun 7mo ago
  Was it that hard for you to try the search yourself? The first result was a helpful guide breaking down what to do specific to the scenario you mentioned: https://www.nyc.gov/main/services/rent-increase-guide https://www.nyc.gov/main/services/rent-increase-guide Also NYC is in the process of getting rid of that chatbot.
  - paxys 7mo ago
    This is not about you or me, it's about the large chunk of New Yorkers (and people in every city) that: - have no resources for a lawyer - have limited English skills, and possibly limited literacy in general - aren't good with computers/internet - have little understanding of the law "Oh just browse a complex website" and every other "it works fine for me" scenario doesn't help this class of citizens. A simple chatbot that answers questions does.
    - threetonesun 7mo ago
      Apparently you are either a bot yourself or some AI shill. That page is clearer than most ChatGPT results, the official source, and has translations for dozens of languages. Not to mention "aren't good with computers" already rules out using ChatGPT!

Same question on Google gets you nyc.gov (the actual source!) with the same answer. That page is also always correct for NYC, instead however correct ChatGPT is, which might be 100%... or might not!

pixl97 7mo ago

Note: 'Same question on Google gets you' can only reasonably be sure for you and no other person. Answers may vary depending on your location and history information.

slg 7mo ago
This is a strange disclaimer to make specifically about Google when it is even more true for these chatbots.

prasadjoglekar 7mo ago

True. But just changing the prompt to include "cite me cases" expands the search to court systems and actual cases. It's pretty useful as a first pass to get a sense for the issues, precedents and laws at stake.

ambicapter 7mo ago
You know some of those "actual cases" are made up, right? Like, famously, lawyers are filing briefs with made-up citations b/c they used LLMs to draft it.
- bluepeter 7mo ago
  Ah ok so only lawyers get to use AI hallucinations! (Actually, CA has a bill pending that AFAIR requires lawyers to manually verify AI citations... which is a lot narrower and better than what NY is trying here.)

paxys 7mo ago

And what then? People read through all of nyc.gov and the entire city/state legal code to find the exact statute that applies to their scenario? In fact government agencies have set up their own chatbots to help people with situations like these, and like the article says those would be illegal under this law as well.

threetonesun 7mo ago
Was it that hard for you to try the search yourself? The first result was a helpful guide breaking down what to do specific to the scenario you mentioned: https://www.nyc.gov/main/services/rent-increase-guide https://www.nyc.gov/main/services/rent-increase-guide Also NYC is in the process of getting rid of that chatbot.
- paxys 7mo ago
  This is not about you or me, it's about the large chunk of New Yorkers (and people in every city) that: - have no resources for a lawyer - have limited English skills, and possibly limited literacy in general - aren't good with computers/internet - have little understanding of the law "Oh just browse a complex website" and every other "it works fine for me" scenario doesn't help this class of citizens. A simple chatbot that answers questions does.
  - threetonesun 7mo ago
    Apparently you are either a bot yourself or some AI shill. That page is clearer than most ChatGPT results, the official source, and has translations for dozens of languages. Not to mention "aren't good with computers" already rules out using ChatGPT!