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> A peaceful and responsible government. People in Hong Kong died. Over 10,000 were arrested and many are still in prison. The rest are permanently disgraced

by petcat 8mo ago

> A peaceful and responsible government. People in Hong Kong died. Over 10,000 were arrested and many are still in prison. The rest are permanently disgraced in their social-credit society. Again, USA is not perfect, but let's not dream up some fantasy about the CCP.

cyberax 8mo ago
This "social credit" thing is dead in China.
- petcat 8mo ago
  As an American, I have no fear of calling the US President a pedo or saying Fuck the Police on my Twitter. Not the case in China. It's horrifying. https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-social-credit https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-soci...
  - cyberax 8mo ago
    Oh, China absolutely does not tolerate _public_ dissent very much including highly visible social media posts. Everybody there knows that. But this: > According to the social credit system, Chinese citizens are punishable if they indulge in buying too many video games, buying too much junk food, having a friend online who has a low credit score, visiting unauthorized websites, posting “fake news” online, and more. ...is just pure bullshit. There were _ideas_ about including these kinds of stuff into the score, but they have never been implemented. At this point, the social credit score is only used to find people who dodge court decisions.
    - fc417fc802 8mo ago
      "At this point" being the key phrase.
      - kelipso 8mo ago
        A key phrase that can be used to speculate about whatever bs one can think of.
        fc417fc802 8mo ago
        A low effort and bad faith rebuttal on your part. Please ignore the gun pointed at your head / social credit score / masked goons roving about Minnesota / flock cameras / etc as it hasn't been used against you at this point.
        phatfish 8mo ago
        It seems to me your argument is in bad faith because (taking the parents analysis at face value) you created a straw man "social credit score" that doesn't exist. But there ARE masked goons roving Minnesota.
        fc417fc802 8mo ago
        I did no such thing - you are the one creating a straw man. The comment chain I responded to has several different parties making various claims about the social credit score. My comments are consistent with those I responded to. If you wish to dispute the veracity of one or more comments in the thread, by all means do so. But please make a substantive argument and (given the nature of the topic) cite sources.
  - Barrin92 8mo ago
    > I have no fear of calling the US President a pedo or saying Fuck the Police on my Twitter. Does that matter? In China people don't judge the state of their civilization by how easily you can insult the police but whether you need to be afraid to meet them on the street. "I can insult my pedophile president" (who doesn't care if you do) isn't exactly a flex. It does tell us something though that the evaluation of American life now consists of parasocial interactions with the president on social media. I'm starting to belief Bruno Maçães, ex Portuguese secretary of state, was prescient with his diagnosis that American material society has rotted to the point where life is now entirely defined by virtual interactions. That's the difference between China and the US today. The president's a pedophile, a criminal, undeterred by democracy, economy or social disorder but you can freely yell into the void. Have you considered that in the US one can freely say all these things precisely because that's irrelevant?
    - petcat 8mo ago
      > The president's a pedophile, a criminal, undeterred by democracy, economy or social disorder but you can freely yell into the void. Have you considered that in the US one can freely say all these things precisely because that's irrelevant? Americans will vote for their Congress representatives in November. They will have a chance to decide how they want their government to be run. The US President was already shot-down once by the Supreme Court (tariffs). The system is working. Let the voters decide, and then let it work.
      - vintermann 8mo ago
        > They will have a chance to decide how they want their government to be run. That depends on what's on the ballot. > The system is working. If it is, how did you end up here again?
throw5t432 8mo ago
> People in Hong Kong died Do you have a legit source for this? When I search for information, I only found this case, “Luo Changqing, a 70-year-old Hong Kong cleaner, died from head injuries sustained after he was hit by a brick thrown by a Hong Kong protester during a violent confrontation between two groups in Sheung Shui, Hong Kong on 13 November 2019.” None of the other legit sources claim the police killed any of the rioters.
- MarsIronPI 8mo ago
  Sure, sure. The CCP probably has gotten a lot better since Tienanmen Square.

by petcat 8mo ago

cyberax 8mo ago

This "social credit" thing is dead in China.

petcat 8mo ago
As an American, I have no fear of calling the US President a pedo or saying Fuck the Police on my Twitter. Not the case in China. It's horrifying. https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-social-credit https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-soci...
- cyberax 8mo ago
  Oh, China absolutely does not tolerate _public_ dissent very much including highly visible social media posts. Everybody there knows that. But this: > According to the social credit system, Chinese citizens are punishable if they indulge in buying too many video games, buying too much junk food, having a friend online who has a low credit score, visiting unauthorized websites, posting “fake news” online, and more. ...is just pure bullshit. There were _ideas_ about including these kinds of stuff into the score, but they have never been implemented. At this point, the social credit score is only used to find people who dodge court decisions.
  - fc417fc802 8mo ago
    "At this point" being the key phrase.
    - kelipso 8mo ago
      A key phrase that can be used to speculate about whatever bs one can think of.
      - fc417fc802 8mo ago
        A low effort and bad faith rebuttal on your part. Please ignore the gun pointed at your head / social credit score / masked goons roving about Minnesota / flock cameras / etc as it hasn't been used against you at this point.
        phatfish 8mo ago
        It seems to me your argument is in bad faith because (taking the parents analysis at face value) you created a straw man "social credit score" that doesn't exist. But there ARE masked goons roving Minnesota.
        fc417fc802 8mo ago
        I did no such thing - you are the one creating a straw man. The comment chain I responded to has several different parties making various claims about the social credit score. My comments are consistent with those I responded to. If you wish to dispute the veracity of one or more comments in the thread, by all means do so. But please make a substantive argument and (given the nature of the topic) cite sources.
- Barrin92 8mo ago
  > I have no fear of calling the US President a pedo or saying Fuck the Police on my Twitter. Does that matter? In China people don't judge the state of their civilization by how easily you can insult the police but whether you need to be afraid to meet them on the street. "I can insult my pedophile president" (who doesn't care if you do) isn't exactly a flex. It does tell us something though that the evaluation of American life now consists of parasocial interactions with the president on social media. I'm starting to belief Bruno Maçães, ex Portuguese secretary of state, was prescient with his diagnosis that American material society has rotted to the point where life is now entirely defined by virtual interactions. That's the difference between China and the US today. The president's a pedophile, a criminal, undeterred by democracy, economy or social disorder but you can freely yell into the void. Have you considered that in the US one can freely say all these things precisely because that's irrelevant?
  - petcat 8mo ago
    > The president's a pedophile, a criminal, undeterred by democracy, economy or social disorder but you can freely yell into the void. Have you considered that in the US one can freely say all these things precisely because that's irrelevant? Americans will vote for their Congress representatives in November. They will have a chance to decide how they want their government to be run. The US President was already shot-down once by the Supreme Court (tariffs). The system is working. Let the voters decide, and then let it work.
    - vintermann 8mo ago
      > They will have a chance to decide how they want their government to be run. That depends on what's on the ballot. > The system is working. If it is, how did you end up here again?

throw5t432 8mo ago

> People in Hong Kong died Do you have a legit source for this? When I search for information, I only found this case, “Luo Changqing, a 70-year-old Hong Kong cleaner, died from head injuries sustained after he was hit by a brick thrown by a Hong Kong protester during a violent confrontation between two groups in Sheung Shui, Hong Kong on 13 November 2019.” None of the other legit sources claim the police killed any of the rioters.

MarsIronPI 8mo ago
Sure, sure. The CCP probably has gotten a lot better since Tienanmen Square.