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> China is incredibly nice to live in I'm sure it's a very nice place to live if you're content to just stay quiet in society and never put a political sign i

> China is incredibly nice to live in I'm sure it's a very nice place to live if you're content to just stay quiet in society and never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a WeChat.

bdangubic 7mo ago
try to protest in america and see how that works out for you long-term. or say protest against genocide in gaza at an uni or generally in public…
- cyberax 7mo ago
  Sigh. Let's not invent things? You can protest anything in the US just fine, with generally no consequences. Heck, our local _high_ _school_ students go out and protest everything to weasel out of classes.
  - cheema33 7mo ago
    Trump admin did put people in prison and then deported them, for doing nothing more than protesting. Not as bad as China sure, but not as good as other civilized nations.
    - fc417fc802 7mo ago
      Let's just clarify that visitors don't have the same rights as citizens. Whether or not you agree with the current administration's policies hopefully we can agree that it is entirely reasonable for them to deport foreign political dissidents more or less at their discretion. If you want to put this to the test try crossing the Canadian border and when they ask you the purpose of your visit respond that it's to attend a protest.
      - cheema33 7mo ago
        > Let's just clarify that visitors don't have the same rights as citizens. Yunseo Chung was not a visitor. She came to the United States from South Korea at age 7. She was arrested last year for peacefully protesting. Charges against her were dropped but the govt. canceled her green card. The govt. has been trying to deport her since then, but the courts keep blocking it. https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administration/ https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administra... While the legality of these actions are being debated in courts, I think most of us can agree that this is reprehensible behavior on part of the Trump admin.
        fc417fc802 7mo ago
        I agree that particular example is reprehensible. I never claimed to condone the actions of the current admin. The examples of people being deported for protesting that I am familiar with are student visa holders. While I don't personally support the examples that I am aware of, I also recognize that in those specific cases the executive branch appears to be within the bounds of the law. I don't even object to the executive branch having the power to cancel the visas of political dissidents in the general case, merely to how they are choosing to apply it. It's surprising to me to learn that a green card could be revoked for protected speech. That ought to fall well outside the bounds of the law IMO. Green cards and visas are entirely different things.
        bdavisx 7mo ago
        >While I don't personally support the examples that I am aware of, I also recognize that in those specific cases the executive branch appears to be within the bounds of the law. I don't even object to the executive branch having the power to cancel the visas of political dissidents It's my understanding that the 1st amendment applies to everyone, not just citizens. So if that's true (not 100% sure about that), how can political speech (protesting) be a valid reason to remove someone from the US?
        fc417fc802 7mo ago
    - xienze 7mo ago
      > Trump admin did put people in prison and then deported them, for doing nothing more than protesting. Link? I’m guessing we’re going to see that this definition of “protesting” involves being aggressive and directly in the face of law enforcement officers, not merely holding a sign at a distance.
      - cheema33 7mo ago
        > Link? I’m guessing we’re going to see that this definition of “protesting” involves being aggressive and directly in the face of law enforcement officers, not merely holding a sign at a distance. Please read up on this one example of a US permanent resident. And then justify the actions of the govt against Yunseo Chung. https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administration/ https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administra...
  - bdangubic 7mo ago
    this is funny if you are being sarcastic
    - cyberax 7mo ago
      Oh, I fully support their right to protest. It just looks a bit ridiculous when students walk out in protest against things that are far outside the influence of their school, city, or even state.
cyberax 7mo ago
This is an exaggeration. Nobody in China cares about what you speak with each other privately, and people talk about stupid policies all the time. The government cares about _public_ actions. In practical terms, if you're not kind of person who would want to run for an office in the US, China is incredibly comfortable. Cities are safe, with barely any violent crime. Public drug use is nonexistent. And with the US-level AI researcher income, you'd be in the top 0.1% earners.
- petcat 7mo ago
  > nobody in China cares about what you speak with each other privately, and people talk about stupid policies all the time. The government cares about _public_ actions. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252833 My comment and the linked video says otherwise. The guy was in a private group chat and said some nasty things about the police for confiscating his motorcycle. Now he's arrested and in the Tiger Chair. How are we explaining this?
  - maxglute 7mo ago
    Group with 75 people. That's a crowd, doesn't matter if gated behind QR code invites. Shit talk cops and gov with the bois is fine. Shit talk / soapbox in a crowd (virtual or real) and get caught or reported = drink tea on the menu.
eunos 7mo ago
> never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a WeChat. Practically, how many care about that? Consider that in other part of the world they also cancel folks based on social media opinion... and that Benjamin Franklin's opinion on security and freedom? Thats terminally online phenomenon only. I once tried to bring that without specifically mentioned that it came from ol Ben himself to folks IRL. Many thought it was some anarchist blabbers.

bdangubic 7mo ago

try to protest in america and see how that works out for you long-term. or say protest against genocide in gaza at an uni or generally in public…

cyberax 7mo ago
Sigh. Let's not invent things? You can protest anything in the US just fine, with generally no consequences. Heck, our local _high_ _school_ students go out and protest everything to weasel out of classes.
- cheema33 7mo ago
  Trump admin did put people in prison and then deported them, for doing nothing more than protesting. Not as bad as China sure, but not as good as other civilized nations.
  - fc417fc802 7mo ago
    Let's just clarify that visitors don't have the same rights as citizens. Whether or not you agree with the current administration's policies hopefully we can agree that it is entirely reasonable for them to deport foreign political dissidents more or less at their discretion. If you want to put this to the test try crossing the Canadian border and when they ask you the purpose of your visit respond that it's to attend a protest.
    - cheema33 7mo ago
      > Let's just clarify that visitors don't have the same rights as citizens. Yunseo Chung was not a visitor. She came to the United States from South Korea at age 7. She was arrested last year for peacefully protesting. Charges against her were dropped but the govt. canceled her green card. The govt. has been trying to deport her since then, but the courts keep blocking it. https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administration/ https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administra... While the legality of these actions are being debated in courts, I think most of us can agree that this is reprehensible behavior on part of the Trump admin.
      - fc417fc802 7mo ago
        I agree that particular example is reprehensible. I never claimed to condone the actions of the current admin. The examples of people being deported for protesting that I am familiar with are student visa holders. While I don't personally support the examples that I am aware of, I also recognize that in those specific cases the executive branch appears to be within the bounds of the law. I don't even object to the executive branch having the power to cancel the visas of political dissidents in the general case, merely to how they are choosing to apply it. It's surprising to me to learn that a green card could be revoked for protected speech. That ought to fall well outside the bounds of the law IMO. Green cards and visas are entirely different things.
        bdavisx 7mo ago
        >While I don't personally support the examples that I am aware of, I also recognize that in those specific cases the executive branch appears to be within the bounds of the law. I don't even object to the executive branch having the power to cancel the visas of political dissidents It's my understanding that the 1st amendment applies to everyone, not just citizens. So if that's true (not 100% sure about that), how can political speech (protesting) be a valid reason to remove someone from the US?
        fc417fc802 7mo ago
  - xienze 7mo ago
    > Trump admin did put people in prison and then deported them, for doing nothing more than protesting. Link? I’m guessing we’re going to see that this definition of “protesting” involves being aggressive and directly in the face of law enforcement officers, not merely holding a sign at a distance.
    - cheema33 7mo ago
      > Link? I’m guessing we’re going to see that this definition of “protesting” involves being aggressive and directly in the face of law enforcement officers, not merely holding a sign at a distance. Please read up on this one example of a US permanent resident. And then justify the actions of the govt against Yunseo Chung. https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administration/ https://humanrightsfirst.org/yunseo-chung-v-trump-administra...
- bdangubic 7mo ago
  this is funny if you are being sarcastic
  - cyberax 7mo ago
    Oh, I fully support their right to protest. It just looks a bit ridiculous when students walk out in protest against things that are far outside the influence of their school, city, or even state.

cyberax 7mo ago

This is an exaggeration. Nobody in China cares about what you speak with each other privately, and people talk about stupid policies all the time. The government cares about _public_ actions. In practical terms, if you're not kind of person who would want to run for an office in the US, China is incredibly comfortable. Cities are safe, with barely any violent crime. Public drug use is nonexistent. And with the US-level AI researcher income, you'd be in the top 0.1% earners.

petcat 7mo ago
> nobody in China cares about what you speak with each other privately, and people talk about stupid policies all the time. The government cares about _public_ actions. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252833 My comment and the linked video says otherwise. The guy was in a private group chat and said some nasty things about the police for confiscating his motorcycle. Now he's arrested and in the Tiger Chair. How are we explaining this?
- maxglute 7mo ago
  Group with 75 people. That's a crowd, doesn't matter if gated behind QR code invites. Shit talk cops and gov with the bois is fine. Shit talk / soapbox in a crowd (virtual or real) and get caught or reported = drink tea on the menu.

eunos 7mo ago

> never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a WeChat. Practically, how many care about that? Consider that in other part of the world they also cancel folks based on social media opinion... and that Benjamin Franklin's opinion on security and freedom? Thats terminally online phenomenon only. I once tried to bring that without specifically mentioned that it came from ol Ben himself to folks IRL. Many thought it was some anarchist blabbers.