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Given how American govt. has treated Anthropic, I think you might be right. EU truly has a remarkable opportunity to make Anthropic/Claude European.

petcat 8mo ago
This US administration (or any admin) would almost certainly impose export controls on US AI technology before it would allow one of the frontier model providers to be acquired/relocate outside the US. It did the same thing when ASML wanted to acquire Cymer (California company that provides the EUV light source technology). The acquisition was only allowed under strict technology sharing/export agreements with the Dutch government. Europe really just needs to rally behind Mistral. That's where they should dump their cash.
- ivan_gammel 8mo ago
  Having one „champion“ is flawed European approach. We need local competition and headhunting to make it fly.
  - azinman2 8mo ago
    Hard to compete in an environment that’s anti-996 and the pay is so much less.
    - ivan_gammel 8mo ago
      Yes. 996 is for lazy people.
    - dvdkon 8mo ago
      Do you consider high working hours to be a benefit akin to higher pay? I think fewer hours and less money is a fair deal for employees.
      - azinman2 8mo ago
        Fair deal for the employees but hard to compete against smart, well resourced people who are working 996. Everything with AI is moving so fast that moving slower makes you irrelevant.
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- fc417fc802 8mo ago
  Can they actually prevent it though? In typical cases there would be IP licenses involved. But in this case it's a valuation based (AFAICT) on a team of people plus their infra. What happens if they all just happened to get hired by "AnthropicEU GmbH" a new entity which has been gifted hundreds of millions in computing resources?
- kelvinjps10 8mo ago
  But can they restrict the researchers from leaving? What if they are just offered regular jobs by a new European company? What the US has done is dictatorial, but this would be even worse if they try to do it.
lejalv 8mo ago
Given what Amodei thinks of spying non-US citizens, that's a hard pass from me. If you are that loyal (servile) to your country leaders, don't go elsewhere when you "discover" they are thugs. Put up with it or revolt (as Iranians are being asked to do).
impossiblefork 8mo ago
I'm not sure goals are totally aligned though. The current models are created by enormous expense. We know that many stages are done incorrectly. I am confident that they can be replicated without any unique US knowledge. At the moment my impression is instead that the issue is computational resources. It's important to stay near the frontier though, and to build up ones capacity to train large models. Consequently I don't think we need Anthropic. It wouldn't be terrible if they came. Especially if they picked a nice location. Barcelona would be very nice, for example.
ekianjo 8mo ago
There is no capital in the EU
- rcbdev 8mo ago
  It's all tied up in real estate and horribly inefficient savings accounts.

petcat 8mo ago

This US administration (or any admin) would almost certainly impose export controls on US AI technology before it would allow one of the frontier model providers to be acquired/relocate outside the US. It did the same thing when ASML wanted to acquire Cymer (California company that provides the EUV light source technology). The acquisition was only allowed under strict technology sharing/export agreements with the Dutch government. Europe really just needs to rally behind Mistral. That's where they should dump their cash.

ivan_gammel 8mo ago
Having one „champion“ is flawed European approach. We need local competition and headhunting to make it fly.
- azinman2 8mo ago
  Hard to compete in an environment that’s anti-996 and the pay is so much less.
  - ivan_gammel 8mo ago
    Yes. 996 is for lazy people.
  - dvdkon 8mo ago
    Do you consider high working hours to be a benefit akin to higher pay? I think fewer hours and less money is a fair deal for employees.
    - azinman2 8mo ago
      Fair deal for the employees but hard to compete against smart, well resourced people who are working 996. Everything with AI is moving so fast that moving slower makes you irrelevant.
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fc417fc802 8mo ago
Can they actually prevent it though? In typical cases there would be IP licenses involved. But in this case it's a valuation based (AFAICT) on a team of people plus their infra. What happens if they all just happened to get hired by "AnthropicEU GmbH" a new entity which has been gifted hundreds of millions in computing resources?
kelvinjps10 8mo ago
But can they restrict the researchers from leaving? What if they are just offered regular jobs by a new European company? What the US has done is dictatorial, but this would be even worse if they try to do it.

lejalv 8mo ago

Given what Amodei thinks of spying non-US citizens, that's a hard pass from me. If you are that loyal (servile) to your country leaders, don't go elsewhere when you "discover" they are thugs. Put up with it or revolt (as Iranians are being asked to do).

impossiblefork 8mo ago

I'm not sure goals are totally aligned though. The current models are created by enormous expense. We know that many stages are done incorrectly. I am confident that they can be replicated without any unique US knowledge. At the moment my impression is instead that the issue is computational resources. It's important to stay near the frontier though, and to build up ones capacity to train large models. Consequently I don't think we need Anthropic. It wouldn't be terrible if they came. Especially if they picked a nice location. Barcelona would be very nice, for example.

ekianjo 8mo ago

There is no capital in the EU

rcbdev 8mo ago
It's all tied up in real estate and horribly inefficient savings accounts.